The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Cowl's Identity [FPOTM2 11.2016]
Shift8:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 03:18:04 PM ---But nobodies ever used it, technically even Kemmler doesn't know for sure what would happen in the end, he only presumed. Maybe it is useless and crazy but nobody knows that?
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Certainly possible. It think its unwise to move on this assumption though. Given that Kemmler and Cowl certainly know much of how magic in the DV works, I would think their assumption of risk here is the greater indication of certainty. But perhaps not.
Also just get Toot Toot to volunteer as a sacrifice. No matter what is absorbed Toot Toots personality will counter it to be sure. You could just pay him in pizza.
DonBugen:
Not Toot Toot!!
--- Quote ---I would actually think it would be necessary for the DH not to alter people, otherwise it would be useless and no one would attempt it. No point in gaining power if your persona is so changed you forgot what you came to grocery store for.
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That hasn't stopped every single Winter and Summer Knight from taking up the mantle. Or every Denarian. Or every turned Red Court or Black Court vampire. The FBI guys with their wolf belts. Or, heck, even Butters after he got Bob the Skull; Karrin remarks at how drastically he's changed.
I mean, it seems that the opposite is true in the Dresden Files - power gained by unnatural means changes a person. And the idea of changing doesn't deter anyone from taking that power.
jonas:
you know, butters shouldn't be effected by bob directly though. That he is, I wonder if he's not getting transference of Harry already accumulated on bob? He's acting more like Harry after all, not like bob. That would explain why evil bob had to be suppressed by DuMorne, and implies greater horrors for MM harry's personae.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on July 21, 2017, 03:13:02 PM ---I would actually think it would be necessary for the DH not to alter people, otherwise it would be useless and no one would attempt it. No point in gaining power if your persona is so changed you forgot what you came to grocery store for.
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By that logic nobody would use Black Magic ever, since it innately warps you on a supernatural level.
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 12:43:51 PM ---One soul plus zero souls equals one souls worth of life. Harry ate Kravos's ghost but didn't kept the power because(woj) there was no death involved, no sacrifice or transfer of life power. He could eat all the things in Dr but if theres no life or soul involved, theres no fundamental act of change, of fusion of disparate parts. good grief how many ways do I gotta say it?
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Life and Soul are two different energies. The Darkhallow was operating entirely in the Life vs Death Energy spectrum and does not affect the Soul. The way I see it, the Darkhallow sucks out all the Chi/Life Energy (which is also the core energy of mortal magic), killing in basically the same way as a wizards Deathcurse kills them, as opposed to SoulFire which drains Soul and combines it with Magic; Harry wondered once what the fallout would be from a Deathcurse backed by Soulfire.
Soul is (so far) restricted to Mortals (vanilla or wizard), Half-born (ex WCV), and Offshoot Hominids (my best guess for the Sasquatch). I have no idea about animals, but I do know are entirely valid targets of Necromancy in general and so presumably of the Darkhallow. It would just need to be a Quantity over Quality difference, and Ive no clue how that balance falls out.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 21, 2017, 04:07:28 PM ---By that logic nobody would use Black Magic ever, since it innately warps you on a supernatural level.
Life and Soul are two different energies. The Darkhallow was operating entirely in the Life vs Death Energy spectrum and does not affect the Soul. The way I see it, the Darkhallow sucks out all the Chi/Life Energy (which is also the core energy of mortal magic), killing in basically the same way as a wizards Deathcurse kills them, as opposed to SoulFire which drains Soul and combines it with Magic; Harry wondered once what the fallout would be from a Deathcurse backed by Soulfire.
Soul is (so far) restricted to Mortals (vanilla or wizard), Half-born (ex WCV), and Offshoot Hominids (my best guess for the Sasquatch). I have no idea about animals, but I do know are entirely valid targets of Necromancy in general and so presumably of the Darkhallow. It would just need to be a Quantity over Quality difference, and Ive no clue how that balance falls out.
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and archangels. your forgetting the broader implications of what a soul is, energy, the power of creation itself, that which give mortals choice. life is a distillation of soul, and magic is a distillation of life, through emotions, experiences, ect. so it's all the same thing, it's just different levels of refined purity. Remember Uriel made Harry 'more of what you already are', not something else entirely. He... took his ability to say, drive a car, and showed him how it correlates to driving his jumbo jet instead. Still driving(flying, ok technicality, still operating anyway) and it's still magic if Uriels being accurate. When you kill a sacrifice what are you doing but taking it's current primer charger and expending it all at once? the soul inside is the generator.
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