The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Cowl's Identity [FPOTM2 11.2016]
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 04:17:49 PM ---and archangels. your forgetting the broader implications of what a soul is, energy, the power of creation itself, that which give mortals choice. life is a distillation of soul, and magic is a distillation of life, through emotions, experiences, ect. so it's all the same thing, it's just different levels of refined purity. Remember Uriel made Harry 'more of what you already are', not something else entirely. He... took his ability to say, drive a car, and showed him how it correlates to driving his jumbo jet instead. Still driving(flying, ok technicality, still operating anyway) and it's still magic if Uriels being accurate. When you kill a sacrifice what are you doing but taking it's current primer charger and expending it all at once? the soul inside is the generator.
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This is an interesting theory but it is not supported by anything Ive seen in the context of the DV. Uriel never once says they are the same thing, not even close.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 21, 2017, 04:29:31 PM ---This is an interesting theory but it is not supported by anything Ive seen in the context of the DV. Uriel never once says they are the same thing, not even close.
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He specifically says what I quoted, he made Harry more of what he already was. similar isn't the same, but he didn't have to fundamentally change harry to get him throwing soulfire. Car that runs on gas or vegetable oil better comparison?
How about an electric car that's hybrid to run with gas as well so when it needs extra power its available?
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--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 04:34:07 PM ---He specifically says what I quoted, he made Harry more of what he already was. similar isn't the same, but he didn't have to fundamentally change harry to get him throwing soulfire. Car that runs on gas or vegetable oil better comparison?
How about an electric car that's hybrid to run with gas as well so when it needs extra power its available?
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Ok, how does "More that what you already are" translate to "Magic and Soul are actually all the same thing"? Because you didnt say similar, you said actually "all the Same Thing". Just because Rebar and Concrete are both used to make a building does not mean they the same material.
jonas:
--- Quote from: Quantus on July 21, 2017, 04:38:53 PM ---Ok, how does "More that what you already are" translate to "Magic and Soul are actually all the same thing"? Because you didnt say similar, you said actually "all the Same Thing". Just because Rebar and Concrete are both used to make a building does not mean they the same material.
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But a construction worker is always just a construction worker no? their not the same, they are similar, Rebar and concrete are both building blocks. Soul and spirit are both part of your essence. magic, life, soul, all part of that same creative energy.
Quantus:
--- Quote from: jonas on July 21, 2017, 04:47:03 PM ---But a construction worker is always just a construction worker no? their not the same, they are similar, Rebar and concrete are both building blocks. Soul and spirit are both part of your essence. magic, life, soul, all part of that same creative energy.
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OK, i went to find the context of this (in my opinion unrelated) quote you are basing your theory on. It wasnt Uriel that said it, it was Mab, who said in response to Harry's What has he done to me: “That is a question only you can answer. But I can say this much: He has given you the potential to be more of what you are.”
In other words, he's given you Power. But the same statement could refer to Knowledge or any other sort. Nothing there says that Magic and Soul are the same thing, or even really comes close. It just says that Harry was given the possibility to Grow.
Now, if you want to argue that The Angels did all that initial Creation via Soulfire, and since Soulfire is based on Soul ALL REALITY is really just Soul, including all Matter and Every Energy...Well I cannot refute that, but it's a little like saying lead and gold are the same this because they are both made of protons...not false, but not true enough to be applied that way in any practical sense (short of star trek replicators I guess)
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