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Doylist analysis of the Scooby Gang at the climax of Cold Days
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on July 25, 2015, 12:12:57 AM ---Odin showed up at Mac's because it's neutral ground. I don't think there has to be a connection between Mac and Nico/Anduriel for people to use his establishment as neutral ground.
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Yeah, Mab and Harry needed someplace quiet to meet with Kringle. Mac's is the obvious choice for the window of time they had available.
namkcas:
I have gone back and thought and agreed with my original conclusion. The most important thing about Mac on Demonreach is the way his actions are different than those in his pub when Sharkface the Outsider shows up.
In his pub, he actively gets weapons and tells Harry to kill the Outsiders. He knows about Outsiders and wants them dead. He does not act passively. In this case, he defends his turf against an Outsider attack. Almost like he was a previous Gatekeeper or Defender of the Outer Gates. Once the threat is gone, Mac returns to past behavior.
On Demonreach, Mac is back to standing around waiting for things to happen. He does not join the fight nor does he provide any commentary that would be helpful. He simply does not offend. My assumption on his shooting is different. Nemesis gets a nice clean shot at him. Maeve thinks she is going to win, so no need to kill him quickly. However, she does put him out of commission. I think this comes from Nemesis in knowing who/what Mac is from an Outsider perspective (my base assumption is that Nemesis and the Outsiders act in concert - though we have no absolute proof of that).
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Serack on July 24, 2015, 09:28:15 PM ---Egad, I just burned the time I had to read the rest of your post (for now) looking for it and didn't find it, but I'll look again later.
I believe there is actually a WoJ or canon reference that Mac opened his bar around the same time Harry moved to Chicago.
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If you find it lemme know, think i'll slap this idea together into a proper topic in the next day or two especially if this WOJ is out there.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: megarows on July 25, 2015, 12:50:02 AM ---That part of the myth always seemed odd to me; Morgan le Fay is directly responsible for Arthur's death as she stole Excalibur's scabbard which granted Arthur immortality. So this could also be further hinting that like Arthur, Mac is supposed to be immortal.
Arthur on the left, Mordred on the right.
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Well, in the version I read mordred tricked him and stole it so aurther plunged the lance of Longinus into it. Morgana was there to heal him, though responsible in ways, because it addressed a rebalance and it was her duty, somehow related to her Wiccan position(one queen for each direction)
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on July 24, 2015, 09:47:50 PM ---Honestly, he could have dropped Mac after the bar scene if he'd wanted to.
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It was the price Harry had to pay for his secrecy. He did not warn anyone for the coming storm so they where all collected easily. It also showed how far gone Maeve was, her redcap kidnapped Mac from accorded neutral territory.
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The premise of "taking people Harry had visited" seemed weak to me. Harry then risking the lives of presumed innocents by taking them to the island was also out of character.
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But not out of character for cold days Harry, like so many things that happened in that book.
--- Quote ---Justine could have insisted on going to stay with Thomas, just in case the world exploded.
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Harry had the opportunity to warn everybody but he did not do so. They were taken unaware.
--- Quote ---Sarissa could have said that Mab sent her to attend him, seeing as he seemed to be struggling as the WK, and needed some help understanding Winter Law.
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Sarissa does not seem to lie like a mortal. I think everything she says is true in the fae sense.
--- Quote ---Instead, we had suspicion of Mac, who has been nothing but a friend to Harry, all in order to get him to come along with everyone else.
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Harry became more paranoid, partly because of the mantle I think.
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