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Doylist analysis of the Scooby Gang at the climax of Cold Days

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wizard nelson:

--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on July 24, 2015, 09:31:58 PM ---Huh, that does sound a bit familiar.

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i know I've read that one too.

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: Foxed on July 24, 2015, 08:43:29 PM ---I think Jim wanted to introduce a little more about Mac, and used the attack on the bar, as well as the healing factor later, to do so. However, I think Jim just couldn't extricate Mac easily from the plot once he was involved.

So, Mac Watched the climax.

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Honestly, he could have dropped Mac after the bar scene if he'd wanted to.  The premise of "taking people Harry had visited" seemed weak to me.  Harry then risking the lives of presumed innocents by taking them to the island was also out of character.  Justine could have insisted on going to stay with Thomas, just in case the world exploded.  Sarissa could have said that Mab sent her to attend him, seeing as he seemed to be struggling as the WK, and needed some help understanding Winter Law.

Instead, we had suspicion of Mac, who has been nothing but a friend to Harry, all in order to get him to come along with everyone else.

raidem:
With his place being central to the conspiracy against Nic and and anduriel, I gather he had some beef with nic and anduriel too.  It is obvious that both mab and vadderung trust him.

Some have speculated that Mac may actually be the original Odin.

Time travel hat,
Mac is involved in time travel, parallel realities.  His origin is some sort of out, as in not this particularly limited reAlity.

Griffyn612:

--- Quote from: raidem on July 24, 2015, 11:33:51 PM ---With his place being central to the conspiracy against Nic and and anduriel, I gather he had some beef with nic and anduriel too.  It is obvious that both mab and vadderung trust him.

Some have speculated that Mac may actually be the original Odin.

Time travel hat,
Mac is involved in time travel, parallel realities.  His origin is some sort of out, as in not this particularly limited reAlity.

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Odin showed up at Mac's because it's neutral ground.  I don't think there has to be a connection between Mac and Nico/Anduriel for people to use his establishment as neutral ground.

megarows:

--- Quote from: wizard nelson on July 24, 2015, 09:11:10 PM ---Off the top of my head(and mostly from the book Lancelot du Lethe) aurther suffers a fatal wound to his stomach, from mordred, I can't recall but it's either from the lance of Longinus or Excalibur I thought, although maybe just mordred poisoned blade. He gets ferried across to Avalon where the three sisters ( it mighta been 4, but I think one died before the end)including morgana and morgwuis were waiting on the shores to heal him, though he could not quite return to the mortal coil. Afterwards Lancelot looses his memory and wanders until his prophised return. Sequal to mad Merlin, both books are quite good, and Merlin the wanderer is a lot of where I get Odin is Merlin from.

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That part of the myth always seemed odd to me; Morgan le Fay is directly responsible for Arthur's death as she stole Excalibur's scabbard which granted Arthur immortality.  So this could also be further hinting that like Arthur, Mac is supposed to be immortal.



Arthur on the left, Mordred on the right.

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