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The Fourth Holy Sword
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Hofner1962 on April 18, 2015, 03:18:26 AM ---Where is this mentioned and if it is Raphael how does this fit with Raphael being Mac with his mantle gone walkabout?
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Lash in PG with regards to the concealment wards on the Carpenter panic room:
--- Quote ---"Aye. Raphael or one of his lieutenants, from the feel of it".
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This was my original point of contention for Raphael still being active, that he would be more likely to do the work himself, (assuming availability) as we know Uriel and Michael are friends. More wiggle room to be dealt with, could go either way.
Mith:
Raphael would do it himself if he was around. If not, one of his lieutenants would do it in his stead, so it still works.
kazimmoinuddin:
the angel that guarded the garden of eden, is said to have given his sword to adam and eve. so the sword might be possible/
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Hofner1962 on April 18, 2015, 03:18:26 AM ---Where is this mentioned and if it is Raphael how does this fit with Raphael being Mac with his mantle gone walkabout?
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In Proven Guilty, I believe. When Harry sees the warded room in the Carpenter house, Lash confirms it's angelic work. She says it's the work of "Rafael or one of his lieutenants".
As to the Raphael/Mac theory, there are several possibilities to explain it away, with varying degrees of likelihood.
1) Lash knows Raphael gave up his Grace, but doesn't know or believe that he'd truly leave himself powerless. She thinks he still could have done the work. (She's seen Mac through Harry's eyes, so the question is does she know who he is, and does she know he's completely powerless?)
2) Lash says Rafael out of immediate recognition, but then adds "or one of his lieutenants" as she remembers that he couldn't have. (She doesn't bother explaining, because it wouldn't do her any good to let Harry know he actually knows someone he could really talk to about having the imprint in his head.)
3) Rafael and Raphael aren't the same angel. She says it's angelic work, not archangelic, so it might be a lower tier angel. (A letter makes all the difference between Uriel and Ursiel. But it seems unlikely, as the names Raphael/Rafael have no difference in meaning, and you know how angels feel about their name and it's meaning.)
4) Lasciel fell just as humanity was getting it's start. As the theory has Raphael giving up his Grace after that, the specifics of his situation might not be known. (Same question as #1, did she recognize Mac and suspect what might have happened, and if so, did she stay silent out of self preservation?)
5) The theory is wrong, and Raphael is still active as an archangel.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on April 18, 2015, 05:27:08 AM ---In Proven Guilty, I believe. When Harry sees the warded room in the Carpenter house, Lash confirms it's angelic work. She says it's the work of "Rafael or one of his lieutenants".
As to the Raphael/Mac theory, there are several possibilities to explain it away, with varying degrees of likelihood.
1) Lash knows Raphael gave up his Grace, but doesn't know or believe that he'd truly leave himself powerless. She thinks he still could have done the work. (She's seen Mac through Harry's eyes, so the question is does she know who he is, and does she know he's completely powerless?)
2) Lash says Rafael out of immediate recognition, but then adds "or one of his lieutenants" as she remembers that he couldn't have. (She doesn't bother explaining, because it wouldn't do her any good to let Harry know he actually knows someone he could really talk to about having the imprint in his head.)
3) Rafael and Raphael aren't the same angel. She says it's angelic work, not archangelic, so it might be a lower tier angel. (A letter makes all the difference between Uriel and Ursiel. But it seems unlikely, as the names Raphael/Rafael have no difference in meaning, and you know how angels feel about their name and it's meaning.)
4) Lasciel fell just as humanity was getting it's start. As the theory has Raphael giving up his Grace after that, the specifics of his situation might not be known. (Same question as #1, did she recognize Mac and suspect what might have happened, and if so, did she stay silent out of self preservation?)
5) The theory is wrong, and Raphael is still active as an archangel.
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For my money its gotta be either 1/4, (which is tantamount to the same thing, she still believes him to be active. theory alive), or 5 (theory dead). Now if as presumed Mac IS Raph I would say we need to look back at how many times and when Harry/Mac interacted when she was in his head. Our choices are as follows:
Blood Rites: she's percolating in his head, I do not recall Mac's coming into play here as they were dealing with the Blacks and Whites, first Hellfire usage. So first real influence.
Dead Beat: Meeting of the Warden's at Mac's for Harry's recruitment. Lots of other problems going on, focus not likely on Mac.
Proven Guilty: Summit with the Ladies of Winter and Summer. Again, more pressing events.
White Night: Dead.
So, while Lash might have been able to take in everything at everytime, each trip resulted in more urgent matters to garner her attention...either to later tempt or help Harry with. It is simultaneously possible that AS a Graceless mortal in a human vessel that Mac doesn't raise any alarm bells to a Fallen who has, by the attesting of many, not gotten out a lot. Nic usally keeps her well under wraps. And if the angels have been battling the Outsiders in some way or another since time began, a Walker might be able to recognize Mac in any form...whereas the imprint of a Fallen at least might have a chance of not noticing...especially if attention is divided elsewhere.
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