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The Fourth Holy Sword
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on April 18, 2015, 02:06:24 PM ---For my money its gotta be either 1/4, (which is tantamount to the same thing, she still believes him to be active. theory alive), or 5 (theory dead). Now if as presumed Mac IS Raph I would say we need to look back at how many times and when Harry/Mac interacted when she was in his head. Our choices are as follows:
Blood Rites: she's percolating in his head, I do not recall Mac's coming into play here as they were dealing with the Blacks and Whites, first Hellfire usage. So first real influence.
Dead Beat: Meeting of the Warden's at Mac's for Harry's recruitment. Lots of other problems going on, focus not likely on Mac.
Proven Guilty: Summit with the Ladies of Winter and Summer. Again, more pressing events.
White Night: Dead.
So, while Lash might have been able to take in everything at everytime, each trip resulted in more urgent matters to garner her attention...either to later tempt or help Harry with. It is simultaneously possible that AS a Graceless mortal in a human vessel that Mac doesn't raise any alarm bells to a Fallen who has, by the attesting of many, not gotten out a lot. Nic usally keeps her well under wraps. And if the angels have been battling the Outsiders in some way or another since time began, a Walker might be able to recognize Mac in any form...whereas the imprint of a Fallen at least might have a chance of not noticing...especially if attention is divided elsewhere.
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I'm not sure that Lash's attention could really be 'divided'. She's got perfect recall, and as you said, picked up on everything Harry saw and heard.
Assuming for the moment that the theory is correct, then Mac would most likely have been without his Grace, or any other power, for millenia. I'm not sure if the Fallen would recognize the transubstantiated form of another angel without any trace of their Grace or power. Nico recognized Uriel, but that was when Uriel still had his Grace. If he had transubstantiated into a form Nico had never seen, Jake perhaps, then would Nico have recognized him? (That might be such a back door way of inquiring about the theory without being obvious that we might get an answer from JB...)
It seems possible, but if the theory is right, I doubt we'd ever get that much detail. It'd probably just go unmentioned.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: kazimmoinuddin on April 18, 2015, 05:12:05 AM ---the angel that guarded the garden of eden, is said to have given his sword to adam and eve. so the sword might be possible/
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The angel guarding the Garden is said to be Uriel, with a fiery sword and he's supposed to be a cherub...not an archangel. So already none of that likely applies.
Bergi:
Maybe an idea that can be thrown in with this:
What if Merlin collected the shards and made new swords of them, swords for the wardens to come after him. And this is where the Wardenswords come from.
And something maybe against this theory:
Does Lucifer as a former Archangel have a blade too?
Denarian-31:
--- Quote from: Bergi on April 20, 2015, 09:12:34 AM ---Maybe an idea that can be thrown in with this:
What if Merlin collected the shards and made new swords of them, swords for the wardens to come after him. And this is where the Wardenswords come from.
And something maybe against this theory:
Does Lucifer as a former Archangel have a blade too?
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Commence HellSword WAGs
Which btw I would love! :P
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Bergi on April 20, 2015, 09:12:34 AM ---Maybe an idea that can be thrown in with this:
What if Merlin collected the shards and made new swords of them, swords for the wardens to come after him. And this is where the Wardenswords come from.
And something maybe against this theory:
Does Lucifer as a former Archangel have a blade too?
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Well conventional wisdom tells us that, as cool as the idea would be, that the creation of humanity was at least in part, (or wholly depending on your interpretation), the reason for Lucifer's 'rebellion'. So since he would have Fallen before the Swords would have likely been formed in any incarnations, its not likely unfortunately.
As for the first bit its not a bad idea...I would point out however that the Warden Sword thing seems to run exclusivelythru Luccio. Now while its certainly possible she learned it thru something like Merlin's journals, (assuming Eb lends them out), I would then wonder why no one else seemed capable of learning it. And Eb is a practical guy, if the answer to making the blades were in that treasure trove of info my guess is he would not leave the Council incapable of defending itself by holding onto such knowledge...especially if its one they already had access to.
So my guess is the swords are Luccio's deal, not an overall Council skill...seeing as how there are no more swords being created.
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