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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
ShadowWing:
We have confirmation in Small Favor that Nic had no clue that any of the Fallen (at least any in his court) were present at AT. IIRC, Harry pretty much calls out Nic about the attack when they had the convo at the Shea and Nic blinked in shock and hsi manner did seem to change has his brain was going overdrive at who among the fallen would do it...and why.
So we can count Nic is not involved in any form with the attack in PG.
Next question is Thorny acting alone or in concert with other Fallen on this?
groinkick:
The Fallen (Thorned Namshiel), and Black Council.
"Near the end of Small Favor, Mab says that she and the Archangel Uriel had a common enemy that day, that there was one among the Fallen who had to answer for the Hellfire attack on Arctis Tor. Harry remembers the silvery hand and infers that Mab means Black Council and Thorned Namshiel."
http://dresdenfiles.wikia.com/wiki/Namshiel
My guess is that those in power know shits going to go down. They are forming alliances for when it does. I don't think the Outsiders were responsible but the reason why everyone is so jumpy.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Tami Seven on February 13, 2015, 05:31:29 PM ---Wait, the Black Circle and the Black Council are synonymous. The Outsiders are the Outsiders, they are not the same as the Black Council.
They may work together on occasion, but they are not the same, as far as I know.
--- End quote ---
Going off the WoJ below, I'm convinced there is no 'Black Council'. The 'Black Council' is actually Nemesis and the Outsiders manipulating things. I'm willing to concede that there may be a Circle, which is incorporating mortal/monster cooperation. But the 'Black Council' that showed up in COLD DAYS was revealed to be Nemesis & Co.
--- Quote ---How soon are we going to see more direct contact with Cowl and the Black Court (sic, the context sounds like "Council")?
Next book [at the time, Cold Days]. Yeah, next book we’ll see them again Actually, this will be really the first time I get to have them be more active than behind the scenes in terms of what role they’re playing.
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peregrine:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 13, 2015, 08:34:49 PM ---Going off the WoJ below, I'm convinced there is no 'Black Council'. The 'Black Council' is actually Nemesis and the Outsiders manipulating things. I'm willing to concede that there may be a Circle, which is incorporating mortal/monster cooperation. But the 'Black Council' that showed up in COLD DAYS was revealed to be Nemesis & Co.
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The other thing could be that Jim changed his mind between saying that and writing the book. He's pushed stuff back before, as I recall.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: peregrine on February 13, 2015, 08:37:10 PM ---The other thing could be that Jim changed his mind between saying that and writing the book. He's pushed stuff back before, as I recall.
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That's possible, which is why I'm giving the 'Circle' option as the old 'Black Council' Harry theorized. But there aren't two, that much I'm convinced of. Not actively, anyways. There's only the Outsiders and the Circle, and all the convoluted relationships between them.
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