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Team UMO: a theory, for reference purposes
Tami Seven:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on March 14, 2014, 12:28:39 PM ---Not if the knowledge and perspective he can only gain from that walkabout is part and parcel of the training, I would think.
I don't, at this point, have enough handle on what the parasite is to have a strong feel for how it fits with this model. I can buy it being a resurgent Lash operating against the goals of team UMO; I could also, given the ending of GS, speculate that its presence in Harry is somehow essentialled for keeping his body usable while his soul is on walkabout.
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Mab did say something at the end of GS about The Quiet One (Uriel) and how he Angered Mab and "Had he been incorrect..", they may be working towards the same goal, but obviously Uriel and Mab have different ideas as to how to achieve them. Mab couldn't stop Uriel from playing his Gambit, nor could she have stopped Kincaid from shooting Harry in the first place, but she seemed to have expected both. Was prepared for both. I'd say this is an example of Uriel and Mab working together but being at odds with each other.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Tami Seven on March 14, 2014, 12:49:07 PM ---Mab did say something at the end of GS about The Quiet One (Uriel) and how he Angered Mab and "Had he been incorrect..", they may be working towards the same goal, but obviously Uriel and Mab have different ideas as to how to achieve them.
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I thought I'd addressed that point a few posts ago; "had he been incorrect" doesn't mean he could have been incorrect, and I can quite see that Mab could be angry with Uriel insisting this was a necessary part of the plan while still going along with the plan as a whole.
Kscodemonkey:
Are we sure Harry being Starborn was planned? I don't remember anything specific in the books or WOJ saying that. However, I am sure I am probably wrong considering it is taken as gospel around here. I was thinking that maybe all this hoopla around Harry being starborn isn't because they planned it but because it just happened. Maybe the "key" ingredient is that he was born while his mother was killed by outsider enhanced magic. Not just that she was killed by magic during his birth but that part of the catalyst of his birth was energy from "outside". The reason Starborn are so rare is that outsider magic isn't used on women in the process of delivery very often.
The reason Elaine is a "candidate" is because her mother died during childbirth. Maybe even by magic. She is described as candidate and not a starborn because they don't know if OUTSIDER magic is envolved.
Tami Seven:
--- Quote from: Kscodemonkey on March 14, 2014, 07:16:27 PM ---Are we sure Harry being Starborn was planned? I don't remember anything specific in the books or WOJ saying that. However, I am sure I am probably wrong considering it is taken as gospel around here. I was thinking that maybe all this hoopla around Harry being starborn isn't because they planned it but because it just happened. Maybe the "key" ingredient is that he was born while his mother was killed by outsider enhanced magic. Not just that she was killed by magic during his birth but that part of the catalyst of his birth was energy from "outside". The reason Starborn are so rare is that outsider magic isn't used on women in the process of delivery very often.
The reason Elaine is a "candidate" is because her mother died during childbirth. Maybe even by magic. She is described as candidate and not a starborn because they don't know if OUTSIDER magic is envolved.
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We really don't know anything about Elaine's background. Being an orphan, the assumption is that her parents are dead, but when and how they died is unknown. Forcall we know, her parents are still alive but just abandoned her to the system because they were unable or unwilling to care for her. Her being a Starborn is WOJ. No other evidence, aside from being adopted by Justin, is made available.
As for Harry, it is still speculation. We know he is Starborn, we know Maggie intended to have a Starborn child. We know she had business dealings with the bigwigs in the Supernatural Community and an association with the Winter Court. But Harry being Starborn is pretty much a given, and Maggie planning on having a Starborn is fairly well accepted.
Sully:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on March 13, 2014, 02:08:27 AM ---I think from what we have seen of Thomas feeding, it doesn't need to involve intercourse specifically.
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Considering he can nibble while washing hair, I'd say not.
--- Quote from: Fangz on March 13, 2014, 07:47:10 PM ---Not a lack of forethought, maybe they just weren't playing attention. Both of them have a lot of balls to juggle. Michael was 'off the clock', while Harry was a personal interest of Lea, and Lea might be withholding details from Mab.
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If Heaven has a vested interest in Harry and his behavior, and seeks to influence it(yes), Michael might be on the clock with his every interaction with Harry. Just not getting hazard pay, for a nice change.
Shiro's sacrifice fits in neatly too.
Mind you, I'm WAG'ing here.
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