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Team UMO: a theory, for reference purposes
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Tami Seven on March 13, 2014, 08:36:16 PM ---What if the Erlking took advantage of an opportunity to go after Thomas in order to give him the choice, hide, flee or join. Getting Thomas to join, meant that the Erlking could influence him in such a way as to give him a power boost.
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That seems quite possible, to me; I'm not seeing evidence enough to argue for it, but I could believe it.
--- Quote ---Then there is the Archive (Not necessarily Ivy), who might also be in on this in her own way. Choosing Thomas to be a Venator meant giving him a pathway to becoming stronger as well.
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*nod* i suppose that one would depend on whether Maggie and company wrote anything down, though Mab could also theoretically have informed her.
--- Quote ---Of course, Mab seems to think she has rights over, not only Harry but Thomas also. Who knows where that might lead.
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I think her primary motivation in saying that is to give Harry another incentive to be Knight rather than actually much wanting Thomas; he'd certainly not be a bad backup but I doubt it was more than that.
ballplayer72:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on March 13, 2014, 08:10:50 PM ---Either that or he had something really big going on with the mound-builder civilisations that failed spectacularly, I suppose.
(Nicodemus with his plague habit connected to collapse and death of native American cultures on contact with European diseases ? The Little Ice Age starting when all those Native Americans weren't using fires and in many cases slash-and-char agriculture and ending when the Industrial Revolution started replenishing those greenhouse gases again as an echo of stuff going on in Faerie ? Interesting direction, but not enough ahd data to go on.)
OK, I had forgotten that, and that certainly counts as a boost more than just psychological.
I don't think we have any real evidence to distinguish that from Thomas always having been that good and just going to great lengths to hide it, though. It's pretty clear that he's been doing the "useless party animal" act for a long time to avoid being taken as a threat. (I can see Maggie planning Thomas being as strong a White Court vampire as she could make him, and being born on Valentine's Day seems like it should give him a boost there too.)
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Thats certainly an interesting WAG. Or maybe he had something to do with Eric the Red going to newfoundland? Either way very interesting.
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I figured just like with the other flavors of supes we've seen, that age would translate to some extra juice/ability. Blacks seem to run by age, Reds do certainly (though they also use prestige/bloodline which presumably the blacks do as well with the master thing) I figured the white court wouldn't be too terribly different. Certainly LR kept it together for 30 years + without any food and with some power use (he used it on the fam after all to say nothing of his "hunting trips" with thomas or any other use he might have had) and without going batshit nuts, whereas thomas couldn't handle that during DB. Not at all. He was like a junkie trying real hard not to look at the bag of smack and the fresh needle on the table in front of him. Whereas LR was always cold as ice and while monstrous, not exactly as coo coo for cocoa puffs as say RK was. I figured his gas tank got bigger as he aged, at the very least, same thing with Lara. Seems like Thomas maybe didn't pick up an outside the realm of possibility for whampires buff but more along the lines of "here's a few free levels/points" . Just spitballing.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Dead Beat
- Incidental observation that feels like it fits in with this model somehow; one thing DB accomplished was to show Harry that necromancy is not inherently evil (Kumori saving the life of random gangster dude) and then give him experience of using it himself in a not inherently evil manner (Sue). One more blade to the Swiss Army chainsaw as needed.
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It does seem like cowl and kumori were working from a time travel angle or at least information about the future that guided their purposes in Dead Beat. It seems very important to Harry's acceptance of necromancy that he was exposed to it via Kumori, and found it to be possibly neutral and/or bent toward positive aims. I also think mavra was playing a game of pointing Harry at the other Necromancers. I really do believe she is a 'good' bad guy that is working against the Outsiders. I realize her magic is Outsiderish but it would be more interesting if the black court were refugees from the Outside. It is apparent that the Black Court requires the existence of humanity to keep their 'species' going. I also wonder at Marcones and Gards involvement in giving Harry information that led to him getting significant information of the Necromancy that Kumori was involved in. I also would like to point out that the ambulance driver/medic appeared in Cold Days when I believe they arrived at Molly's apartment to care for the wounded. I believe that was Eyes girlfriend that went with them. It is apparent that the medic will play an important part in the future. I wonder at Kumori's awareness of this fact. Neuro, you did a good job coming up with this referential theory.
Orbweaver:
Hey Neuro,
I'm curious as to how Harry's death in Changes fits into the theory. Mortal free will is important, according to the theory- except Harry's death was a result of a compromised Free Will, and neither Uriel nor Mab moved or acted to stop it, despite their intelligence level/foresight. I can understand Uriel not being able to act to prevent it, given that he may not be able to act unless his opponent breaks a rule, but Harry had to answer Mab when she asked him about partaking of the death angel, as she put it, to get out of another deal with her (per Changes). Per your theory, wouldn't she have acted, in some way shape or form, to prevent him from taking his own life even though he gave his word that he wouldn't?
Also, the presence of the parasite within Harry for as long as it was there poses some issues. With it perpetually feeding off of Harry (and, presumably, any / all powerups he received during the time frame in which it was present), coupled with its ability to nearly incapacitate him with headaches (as we see during the opening chapters of SG), you have a really good recipe for a permanently dead starborn swiss army/utility knife.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Orbweaver on March 14, 2014, 09:36:59 AM ---I'm curious as to how Harry's death in Changes fits into the theory. Mortal free will is important, according to the theory- except Harry's death was a result of a compromised Free Will, and neither Uriel nor Mab moved or acted to stop it, despite their intelligence level/foresight. I can understand Uriel not being able to act to prevent it, given that he may not be able to act unless his opponent breaks a rule, but Harry had to answer Mab when she asked him about partaking of the death angel, as she put it, to get out of another deal with her (per Changes). Per your theory, wouldn't she have acted, in some way shape or form, to prevent him from taking his own life even though he gave his word that he wouldn't?
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Not if the knowledge and perspective he can only gain from that walkabout is part and parcel of the training, I would think.
--- Quote ---Also, the presence of the parasite within Harry for as long as it was there poses some issues. With it perpetually feeding off of Harry (and, presumably, any / all powerups he received during the time frame in which it was present), coupled with its ability to nearly incapacitate him with headaches (as we see during the opening chapters of SG), you have a really good recipe for a permanently dead starborn swiss army/utility knife.
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I don't, at this point, have enough handle on what the parasite is to have a strong feel for how it fits with this model. I can buy it being a resurgent Lash operating against the goals of team UMO; I could also, given the ending of GS, speculate that its presence in Harry is somehow essentialled for keeping his body usable while his soul is on walkabout.
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