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Team UMO: a theory, for reference purposes
Tami Seven:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on March 12, 2014, 08:24:06 PM ---Ah. here's the other potential additional element I was forgetting:
The Grand Alliance
- The original plan for birthing a starborn was presented by Maggie and Lord Raith to Eb, Arianna, and, it is postulated, representatives of other major supernatural powers. (The meeting Eb alludes to at the end of Changes where Arianna recognised Maggie was his daughter)
- This fell apart partly because of Eb butting heads with Maggie at that meeting (same ref in Changes) and partly, either as a result of that or because one or other of them had always planned it, by Justin and Lord R attempting to subvert the project for their own ends (either separately or together)
- The continued divide-and-conquer approaches of the villains of the piece, most notably the Red Court/White Council war, are because a grand alliance is the thing they fear most, and forming one will be a key element of the BAT.
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I like this idea, in general. Not sure why Lord Raith was given more of a role than anyone else. I do understand why he would get greedy, power hungry, and turn against the others. Not sure if he was trying to keep Maggie from having a Starborn child, or if he wanted to be the father of her Starborn child.
Mercutio:
--- Quote from: peregrine on March 12, 2014, 08:34:54 PM ---Doesn't the last Starborn predate Mab being in her position though? When was the Last Starborn active, about a thousand years ago? And Mab has been WQ since Hastings, was it? Which is maybe a thousand years ago, but it's also off by 5%. And that assumes that she jumps right into it immediately.
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Two points:
1. Where is this knowledge of previous Starborns coming from? The only references that come to mind are Lash's comments in the Deeps and Erlking's acknowledgement of Harry's repulsion of Sharkface's mental whammy, there is one more from Maeve IIRC when she has Harry pretty much beat. Since there is a name for it that at least 2 people know we can assume that they have occurred over the years but I have no other context to place them in the timeline.
If this is WOJ then if someone can include it that would be great.
2. Why do we think Mab has only been Queen since the Battle of Hastings, that was the last time she saw her sister true but how does that fit with her Mantle.
Again if the is WOJ then could someone find it or at least state it as such?
Many Thanks
Datakim:
--- Quote from: Tami Seven on March 12, 2014, 09:04:13 PM ---it is possible that the last Starborn was a fluke, unplanned, unexpected. By the time the Great Powers realized what they had, it was too late to use it/him.
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Presumably the knowledge on how to create Starborn had to come from somewhere. I cannot recall the WoJ exactly, but was it not said that the previous Starborn was running around when one of the Ladies died? Maybe that Starborn was an unplanned accident, but proved powerfull and usefull, and now people are trying to actively create more based on the knowledge gained from the previous one?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: peregrine on March 12, 2014, 08:34:54 PM ---Doesn't the last Starborn predate Mab being in her position though? When was the Last Starborn active, about a thousand years ago? And Mab has been WQ since Hastings, was it? Which is maybe a thousand years ago, but it's also off by 5%. And that assumes that she jumps right into it immediately.
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We don't actually know that Mab started the gig exactly in 1066.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: peregrine on March 12, 2014, 08:34:54 PM ---Doesn't the last Starborn predate Mab being in her position though? When was the Last Starborn active, about a thousand years ago? And Mab has been WQ since Hastings, was it? Which is maybe a thousand years ago, but it's also off by 5%. And that assumes that she jumps right into it immediately.
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If the previous starborn was mortal, fifty years off is doable; if a wizard, even more so. And that's assuming that thousand years is exactly accurate rather than plus or minus a few years.
I would also note that my hypothesis here does not make any reference to the last starborn; I don't think we know enough there to say more than "probably was involved somehow".
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