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Harry's murders of Non-humans! (Cold Days spoilers)
blackstaff_:
--- Quote from: ebliss1 on November 19, 2013, 01:00:58 AM ---Before the party, Harry mentions that he was going out to "first day in the prison yard". The #1 rule of the prison yard is "don't show fear". In fact, your best bet for that is to find the biggest, baddest prisoner and beat the ever-loving hell out of him to establish your credentials.
In the Winter Court, no such credentials would be awarded to a Knight who showed any sort of mercy. To quote Vince McMahon here, "ruthless aggression" is the name of the game for them and the only thing they respond to. Harry understood this, and acted accordingly. His first "kill" was on Mab's orders and as such, did nothing for him. The second was his way of establishing his identity and establishing the ground rules for how he was going to deal with the Sidhe from then on out. It was pre-meditated, but was not outside the realm of "standard behavior" for ranking nobles of the Winter Court. He understood this, and its necessity, so no taint or corruption would apply to him afterward. He didn't want to do it, but he had to, and that's the crucial difference.
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peregrine:
--- Quote from: ebliss1 on November 19, 2013, 01:00:58 AM ---Before the party, Harry mentions that he was going out to "first day in the prison yard". The #1 rule of the prison yard is "don't show fear". In fact, your best bet for that is to find the biggest, baddest prisoner and beat the ever-loving hell out of him to establish your credentials.
In the Winter Court, no such credentials would be awarded to a Knight who showed any sort of mercy. To quote Vince McMahon here, "ruthless aggression" is the name of the game for them and the only thing they respond to. Harry understood this, and acted accordingly. His first "kill" was on Mab's orders and as such, did nothing for him. The second was his way of establishing his identity and establishing the ground rules for how he was going to deal with the Sidhe from then on out. It was pre-meditated, but was not outside the realm of "standard behavior" for ranking nobles of the Winter Court. He understood this, and its necessity, so no taint or corruption would apply to him afterward. He didn't want to do it, but he had to, and that's the crucial difference.
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But Harry is not a ranking noble of the Winter Court. If there were to be any taint from killing a sidhe, just because Harry can justify it to himself (and you can justify it for him) doesn't mean he didn't actually kill someone. Standard behavior or not, necessity or not, he killed someone with magic.
Now, he killed a sidhe, not a mortal, and as he is not a mortal, I don't think there is that same kind of taint, and he's in the clear for the Laws, but "I've got a really good reason" doesn't make you immune to the corrupting influences of dark magic.
I mean, Harry had as good, if not BETTER justification for killing Justin when he did, and it was still an issue for him with the Laws, and he even got a bit of that taint on him.
blackstaff_:
--- Quote from: peregrine on November 19, 2013, 01:48:09 AM ---But Harry is not a ranking noble of the Winter Court. If there were to be any taint from killing a sidhe, just because Harry can justify it to himself (and you can justify it for him) doesn't mean he didn't actually kill someone. Standard behavior or not, necessity or not, he killed someone with magic.
Now, he killed a sidhe, not a mortal, and as he is not a mortal, I don't think there is that same kind of taint, and he's in the clear for the Laws, but "I've got a really good reason" doesn't make you immune to the corrupting influences of dark magic.
I mean, Harry had as good, if not BETTER justification for killing Justin when he did, and it was still an issue for him with the Laws, and he even got a bit of that taint on him.
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So you are saying since he didn't kill a mortal, but killed a sidhe he still got some kind of dark magic taint but not the same as if he would have killed a person, right?
(sorry for the wording I have been up for a while with out sleep)
SAZ:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,1879.msg37967.html#msg37967
The above is a WoJ about killing with magic. Human vs Faeries. Read down past the Kemmler stuff.
Also I could not locate what I thought was another WoJ that says in another way that the black magic taint only happens if you kill mortals/humans…
So... Serack I summon thee! (with cookies and hot coco). Is there another WoJ telling us it is basically taint- free to kill non humans with magic?
peregrine:
I don't know if he got any taint or not, but if he did, it was probably of the psychological variety rather than the metaphysical variety. Nothing magical about it, just that it's easy to get into the habit of solving your problems and making your points with violence. Doing it and having it work just encourages you to do it again.
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