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Harry's murders of Non-humans! (Cold Days spoilers)
cass:
--- Quote from: raidem on November 16, 2013, 10:32:53 PM ---When the Queens bring out the Stone Table, everyone becomes vulnerable including the Queens.
What we didn't see in Summer Knight that we did see in Cold Days is the actual mantle jumping from Aurora to Lily, or in the case of CD from Lily to Sarissa.
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And we didn't see it because Harry was passed out, not because there was anything particularly special about the transfer, right?
Mira:
--- Quote from: raidem on November 16, 2013, 10:32:53 PM ---When the Queens bring out the Stone Table, everyone becomes vulnerable including the Queens.
What we didn't see in Summer Knight that we did see in Cold Days is the actual mantle jumping from Aurora to Lily, or in the case of CD from Lily to Sarissa.
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Then there is the little matter that iron was used, I think the Fae are vulnerable to that at any time.
shiz:
--- Quote ---A) It wasn't that the sidhe was disagreeing with Harry, it was what he was disagreeing with. Harry told them that they cannot kill or torture mortals -- who are also sentient beings -- while in his presence. The sidhe in question piped up with the equivalent of "you can't tell us what to do!" It wasn't that he wasn't human, it was the fact that he seemed to be active condoning the kidnapping/murder/torture/rape of innocents. Harry would've reacted similarly to mortals who did the same. It would be speciesism if Harry treated the sidhe differently because "ah, he's a faery, that's who they are."
B) The winter sidhe don't seem to respect much aside from violence and power. Harry knew that there was no other way of enforcing his rules in about the two seconds that he had to make a decision.
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I really like this.
--- Quote ---From a moral perspective killing is "always" wrong, so even the first one was morally questionable.
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Depends on whose morals you are using to judge.
raidem:
--- Quote ---Then there is the little matter that iron was used, I think the Fae are vulnerable to that at any time.
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Iron wouldn't have killed Aurora. It would only have caused her to reform had the injuries not been done at a conjuction of space or time. What really only matters is the immortals where the Ladies are thought to be the least of them.
ebliss1:
Before the party, Harry mentions that he was going out to "first day in the prison yard". The #1 rule of the prison yard is "don't show fear". In fact, your best bet for that is to find the biggest, baddest prisoner and beat the ever-loving hell out of him to establish your credentials.
In the Winter Court, no such credentials would be awarded to a Knight who showed any sort of mercy. To quote Vince McMahon here, "ruthless aggression" is the name of the game for them and the only thing they respond to. Harry understood this, and acted accordingly. His first "kill" was on Mab's orders and as such, did nothing for him. The second was his way of establishing his identity and establishing the ground rules for how he was going to deal with the Sidhe from then on out. It was pre-meditated, but was not outside the realm of "standard behavior" for ranking nobles of the Winter Court. He understood this, and its necessity, so no taint or corruption would apply to him afterward. He didn't want to do it, but he had to, and that's the crucial difference.
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