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Harry's murders of Non-humans! (Cold Days spoilers)
Xandarth:
Yeah, there is definite unresolved sexual tension between the two.
I'm pretty sure the women Harry's made the most sexual comments about so far are: Mab, Lara, Molly and (odd one out) Andi. Typically the first time he meets one of them in any book (and often every other time they are in the same room as him) he has to go into detail about how great he thinks their bodies are. Then in Mab or Lara's case he has to remind himself they are evil and in Molly's case he reminds himself that he can never go there because of [insert excuses]. Followed by him checking out their arse again anyway or giving a detailed description of how Molly's nipples are noticeably pierced.
His description of Corpsetaker in GS was also a strange look into his psychology. He starts of saying she is UGLY!!! (It's not spelled correctly without the three !!!), yet by the end of the paragraph has decided she must have been really attractive when she was younger. He's obviously got a thing for bad girls that he's in denial about. Not sure how his Andi fixation fits into that theory but there's a girl who needs to ask a certain Native American Senior Council member how to take her clothes with her when she shape changes.
None of the women he's had a relationship with (or Karrin) get this treatment and he typically just sticks to height and hair colour when describing them and never really sexually objectifies them. In Karrin's case he typically drops in a line of her looking like someones favourite aunt or being a midget. Maybe he's just being respectful to his ex's / mothers of his children / old boss while writing his memoirs but it's kinda jarring at times. Luccio even gets topless and he barely comments on it, unlike when Maeve, Molly, Andi, etc. get their kit off.
If he only sexually objectifies women he doesn't respect then what does that say about Molly? Or Andi for that matter? If he's not actually sexually attracted to Luccio, Susan or Karrin why on earth are they the only women he forms (or is strongly contemplating) sexual relationships with? It's really quite a bizarre element of the story telling.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Xandarth on November 20, 2013, 08:44:49 PM ---I'm pretty sure the women Harry's made the most sexual comments about so far are: Mab, Lara, Molly and (odd one out) Andi. Typically the first time he meets one of them in any book (and often every other time they are in the same room as him) he has to go into detail about how great he thinks their bodies are. Then in Mab or Lara's case he has to remind himself they are evil and in Molly's case he reminds himself that he can never go there because of [insert excuses]. Followed by him checking out their arse again anyway or giving a detailed description of how Molly's nipples are noticeably pierced.
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Being particularly consciously aware of someone doesn't have to mean choosing to drool over them.
I don't think his reactions with Molly are sexual interest, I think they are Molly continuing to push herself into Harry's awareness in way he's not actually comfortable with, and the discomfort itself makes him more conscious of her than of women he is comfortable around.
As for Mab and Lara, they are inhuman predators adapted to using superhuman attractiveness as a hunting strategy, so Harry being that aware of them makes sense. (It seems pretty clear from Harry's comments that many DV women have the same scale of reaction to Thomas for the same reason, whether he wants it or not.)
Of course, Harry's attachment to the whole idiotic "guys don't talk about feelings" thing means he isn't being anywhere near as analytical here as would help him make sense of the situation.
Mira:
--- Quote ---If he only sexually objectifies women he doesn't respect then what does that say about Molly? Or Andi for that matter? If he's not actually sexually attracted to Luccio, Susan or Karrin why on earth are they the only women he forms (or is strongly contemplating) sexual relationships with? It's really quite a bizarre element of the story telling.
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I wouldn't go that far. Harry was aware and often made mention as to how sexy Susan was and Elaine as well for that matter, but they were never mere sex objects to him. I think a lot of the way he describes women has to do with Harry's shyness around women, his inexperience, and yeah, on the subject of Molly he is confused. He is aware that Andi is good looking, but I don't think he is attracted to her. Murphy is weird because he is attracted to her on several levels, but at the same time not all that physically attracted, as you say, she is the wholesome girl next door who happens to be tough as nails. Molly just confuses the hell out of him, up until now his glands are telling him one thing about her, but because she is the little girl of one of his best friends he refuses to go there. One has to wonder though, if Molly were not the daughter of Michael and his student, would he have bedded her by now? Molly is no longer Harry's student..
LordDresden:
--- Quote from: ebliss1 on November 20, 2013, 02:49:12 PM ---This I would dispute. We have heard from Harry and from Bob and from Eb that the WC has a policy of One-and-Dead for a reason - and that reason is that the effects are immediate and irreversible.
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No. Just no.
Nobody has claimed that the effects are always immediate and irreversible. What has been claimed is that the risk of going further is big enough that high levels of risk are involved, hence the 'sponsor policy'. The Council knows perfectly well that most warlocks don't instantly devolve to insanity, it takes time.
The trouble is that the path downhill is easy, stepping off of it is hard. The Council knows that, too.
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For all other offenses, there is a no-strikes policy. Molly would have been executed had political circumstances not aligned in just the right way. There is no jury deliberations or defense attorneys or mitigating circumstances or "degree of offense" sliding scale considerations.
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It was also political considerations that brought about her near death. Molly's trial was not typical.
LordDresden:
--- Quote from: Xandarth on November 20, 2013, 08:44:49 PM ---Yeah, there is definite unresolved sexual tension between the two.
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Agreed, it's been there since she was a teen for Molly and in recent years it's becoming mutual, and Harry is reluctant to admit this to himself for various reasons, some of them good reasons, some purely Harry-baggage.
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I'm pretty sure the women Harry's made the most sexual comments about so far are: Mab, Lara, Molly and (odd one out) Andi. Typically the first time he meets one of them in any book (and often every other time they are in the same room as him) he has to go into detail about how great he thinks their bodies are. Then in Mab or Lara's case he has to remind himself they are evil and in Molly's case he reminds himself that he can never go there because of [insert excuses]. Followed by him checking out their arse again anyway or giving a detailed description of how Molly's nipples are noticeably pierced.
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Yeah, but that set doesn't go together.
Very nearly all males and many women automatically have that reaction to Lara, it's imposed from outside. About the only way Harry could avoid reacting to Lara that way would be active use of magic or maybe certain drugs.
Which is not to say he doesn't find Lara the human being attractive, because he clearly does. But that overwhelming lust is independent of that.
Likewise, Mab is a special case, esp. now that he is the WinterK. That attraction there is only partly sexual, though it's easiest to express in that form. It's a mixture of awe, terror, respect, revulsion, admiration in the abstract (the way one can admire the beauty of a tornado or a shark), and ordinary desire for a beautiful woman mixed in.
His attraction to Molly, OTOH, is purely human.
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His description of Corpsetaker in GS was also a strange look into his psychology. He starts of saying she is UGLY!!! (It's not spelled correctly without the three !!!), yet by the end of the paragraph has decided she must have been really attractive when she was younger. He's obviously got a thing for bad girls that he's in denial about. Not sure how his Andi fixation fits into that theory but there's a girl who needs to ask a certain Native American Senior Council member how to take her clothes with her when she shape changes.
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His comments about Andi are simply based on the fact that she's exceptionally hot. There's no particular mystery to it.
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