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Harry's murders of Non-humans! (Cold Days spoilers)
Xandarth:
--- Quote from: cass on November 20, 2013, 01:26:10 AM ---Possibly the only silver lining in this in terms of Molly's mental health and wellbeing is that she won't be able to, by and large. She can't touch regular ol' humans unless they are affiliated with the Court. So, changelings, etc. (Whether the Council considers them mortal enough to count for breaking the Laws is up for debate, but I suspect yes.) She could try mind controlling the sidhe, but I bet that until she gets up to speed, even that won't fly-- the sidhe excel at illusion-type enchantments and mental manipulation.
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Unfortunately, you are forgetting one very important mortal she can use magic on.
He's probably the reason she first started playing around with magic that could alter peoples minds and make them do things they normally wouldn't do. After all, I bet it's the most common reason for warlocks to start using mind magic. The mantel would also be prompting her to use any method at her disposal to control him, and also be prompting her to have sex with him, which would fit in very well with her own subconscious desires. She's probably thought about using mind magic on him every time she has used it on someone else, although she probably lives in denial about that being the reason she worked out how to use mind magic.
If she starts playing with mind magic again, Harry will be her intended victim, and she will use it to try and make him love her.
ebliss1:
--- Quote ---No, not quite so. That's why the Council does have trials for Law breaking. Circumstances do matter, esp. self-defense, but they take a really, really hard line on them (And human nature being what it is, politics matters. Wizard A might be let off for the exact same actions that Wizard B gets nailed for, in the borderline cases, because of that.)
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This I would dispute. We have heard from Harry and from Bob and from Eb that the WC has a policy of One-and-Dead for a reason - and that reason is that the effects are immediate and irreversible. Self-defense is only slightly marginal, and even doing so gets you the Doom of Damocles for life.
For all other offenses, there is a no-strikes policy. Molly would have been executed had political circumstances not aligned in just the right way. There is no jury deliberations or defense attorneys or mitigating circumstances or "degree of offense" sliding scale considerations. After a couple of millenia of experience, the White Council has observed and set policy that reflects the reality of the DV: step one toe over the line toward The Dark Side and you are full-on Sith Lord.
Jim has created a pretty black-and-white set of rules in his universe.
Mortal on mortal killing/mind control is of zero concern magically.
Magic on mortal killing/mind control is Ultimate Evil and condemns the perpetrator to Sithhood.
Magic on Supernatural killing is of zero concern magically.
Magic on Supernatural mind control (binding and compulsion) is Ultimate Evil and condemns the perpetrator to Sithhood.
These are essentially analogues to Real World differences in laws among countries. PDA in the US is of zero concern. PDA in Saudi Arabia is a crime. Killing (non self defense) in most countries is a crime punishable up to death. Killing for honor is of no concern in Afghanistan. Etc. As with the Real World analogues, we may not agree or understand the laws, but that doesn't make them any less binding. Jim's laws are the same in that regard. When he offed the Sidhe noble, he was not in his country. He was in Mab's country, and in her country, the Queen's Knightis required to respond to such confrontations with immediate and deadly force. When in Rome...
cass:
--- Quote from: Xandarth on November 20, 2013, 09:09:49 AM ---Unfortunately, you are forgetting one very important mortal she can use magic on.
He's probably the reason she first started playing around with magic that could alter peoples minds and make them do things they normally wouldn't do. After all, I bet it's the most common reason for warlocks to start using mind magic. The mantel would also be prompting her to use any method at her disposal to control him, and also be prompting her to have sex with him, which would fit in very well with her own subconscious desires. She's probably thought about using mind magic on him every time she has used it on someone else, although she probably lives in denial about that being the reason she worked out how to use mind magic.
If she starts playing with mind magic again, Harry will be her intended victim, and she will use it to try and make him love her.
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Not forgetting so much as hoping that she'll be in enough mortal terror of Mab (Harry is, after all, Mab's chosen knight, not Maeve's, Molly's or the Winter Lady's) not to try it. And Mab certainly didn't interfere with Slate until it had become apparent that he was irredeemably warped. Even then, she didn't whammy him, she imprisoned him. All of which is probably wishful thinking on a grand scale....
We don't know that the mantle will be spurring Molly to control Harry, though-- certainly, Lily never seems to try to control Fix (whether it's because she doesn't have to is certainly debatable). Maeve certainly exerted direct control over Slate through the use of the snowflake brand, but maybe Slate in SK was so far gone into the mantle that she needed to. That brand seemed to me to be nothing so much as a particularly cruel shock collar.
Xandarth:
Mab has control freak written all over her, look at the way she manipulates Dresden into doing what she wants. All of Dresden's urges in CD revolve around domination, taking what you want by force and other predatory instincts. Molly's mantel would probably translate that desire to control or possess everything into magically enforcing love on Dresden because that's the method she already desires.
That said, I'm expecting with all Jim's focus on Free Will that this will be an issue Molly has to overcome (mirroring Dresden's fight against his own dark nature) rather than an unavoidable fate in much the same way Dresden will. Would be a nice role reversal if after she had confronted her own demons, Harry was the one to start losing to his mantel and have her mentor him on dealing with his own demons.
Also on the Lilly - Fix thing remember Summer is a herd beast mantel (the stag or doe) and winter is a predator (wolf). Completely different pack dynamic.
Mira:
What is going to be interesting I think is the sexual tension between the Winter Knight and his Lady.. We know how Molly feels about Harry. Harry on the other hand has been in denile as to his sexual attraction to her. He says not, but what he has noticed and described when describing her is not exactly indifferent. There is an interesting line, where once again being around Molly gets a rise.. He is quick to dismiss it as the Mantle talking, but is it? I know, I know he has to work though stuff with Murphy first.. However at some point I predict at the very least there is going to be at least a physical event between them and who knows what the fall out from that is going to be.
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