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Has Mab become something more? [CD Spoilers]
Rasins:
I think folks took my statement incorrectly. I do believe that Mab tried to find a solution to Maeve before deciding to have her removed. I don't believe she wanted to have an experienced Lady replaced, be it her daughter or not. I believe that as a tool, Maeve was probably pretty good at it until Nemesis got to her.
Also remember that Mab couldn't confront Maeve about her infection until CD, because if she Nemesis knew that Mab knew, Nemesis would have done more to have Mab replaced. Then again, maybe that is what the gambit on DR was really all about. Getting someone to off Mab on Halloween, allowing Maeve to step up. Only Mab had already seen it coming and put things in motion to allow for a smooth transition of power. Having Sarissa hang out with Harry so she'd be in a position to receive the WL mantle. And having a back-up (Molly) in case that didn't work out.
I don't believe Mab being there when it all went down was actually part of the plan. I think Mab was saddend at the need to remove a good tool even more so than having her daughter killed. The fact that it's a two-fer just confuses things. "Mab would sacrifice everything in winter ... and not even have to add sugar to her tea..." is great, but it doesn't really mean that she wants to do it. And anytime someone is of that mindset, they usually don't expect to send their own family to the front lines.
As to her soul. I think she still has her soul. But if you look at it as though it's on a spectrum from light (heavely) to black (hellish), her search for and grasping for power has pushed her toward the black end of the spectrum. CAN she be bought back to the light end? Probably. But it'd take a GREAT DEAL of changes for it to occur, and according to the Mothers it would take a great deal of time.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---Previous WoJ stated that Mab have no soul, that she is unchangeable. After CD, I think it is possible to question the validity of that particular WoJ. When text and Woj contradict each other, I usually side with the text. WoJ is just Jim's ideas that is not yet put into cannon. He have the right to changed his mind. What is absolutely cannot happened is text contradict text. That will show that Jim is ill prepared. Jim has never make this mistake before and I hope he never will.
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As I remember there was some controversial problems with earlier book that bugs me, but I would have to look after them to get some proves. But one way or another as a good Catholic I decline sola scriptura philosophy and takes WoJ as part of canon itself ;) Therefore I believe that Mab's behaviour in CD doesn't prove that she has her soul. She can have feeling - soulless doesn't mean emotionless, she can have memories of her mortal life. That isn't contrary to her mantle. After all in Winter lone wolf dies, but pack survievs. Winter is cruel, but it isn't mad cruelty. Maeve lost her soul too, but she didn't lose her feelings.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on March 05, 2013, 03:15:40 PM ---In Harry's a sharp sword, slade wasn't a club. he was a toothbrush.
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No, ice pick..
Veritas:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 05, 2013, 03:07:30 PM --- Slate may have been used in that way, but Slate was a monster and a thug, where Harry isn't. The difference is Slate's will was weak to begin with, so he was dominated by the mantle.. Slate as near as we can tell was an ordinary vanilla mortal before he wore the mantle so it presented all kinds of temptations in the direction of his baser nature, which he fully indulged in.. Both Mab and Maeve understood him very well and used his weaknesses against him. While the sex act with Mab may have been a ritual necessity when Harry became Knight... Harry didn't become totally seduced and addicted to the pleasure no matter how incredible the act with Mab.. Simply because he understands what Mab is. Maeve must have controlled Slade sexually and showed her lack of perception by thinking that she could seduce and control Harry in the same way, that of course backfired, because Harry also understood what Maeve was. However, Slade a guy from the streets did become addicted, it was also one of the ways Mab tormented him after he was found out to be a traitor.
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I doubt Maeve controlled Slate with sex. In SK, she used heroin to control Slate. I think those were the type of drugs that Maeve and Mab used to addict him. I always assumed Maeve was the type of girl who liked to tease rather than deliver :(
Mira:
--- Quote from: Veritas on March 05, 2013, 04:51:58 PM ---I doubt Maeve controlled Slate with sex. In SK, she used heroin to control Slate. I think those were the type of drugs that Maeve and Mab used to addict him. I always assumed Maeve was the type of girl who liked to tease rather than deliver :(
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She may have used heroin, but I think he was addicted to that anyway... However even if she didn't directly use sex herself, surrogates for her might have. Remember when Harry and Billy visited her court under Chicago? Maeve tried to seduce Harry using others of her court, Harry ended up pouring a picture of ice water in his lap to keep from being seduced.
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