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Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 08:44:15 PM ---I think JB was using that opportunity to establish the idea of parallel alternate timelines in the Dresdenverse. My guess is that someone will use time-travel to change something, or they already have, and JB is going to go the parallel-time-line route rather than the traditional time-travel route. I don't see JB doing both a TT-back story and a TT-parallel story in the remaining 6 books before the BAT. And since he's already shown enthusiasm for a Mirror Mirror story, the TT-back plot is probably out.
And I seriously doubt that Harry will time-travel back to PG to do anything, even if a TT-back plot were introduced. But my point is that he could, and it would explain some things. Pretty much all the other theories are easier, and infintely more likely. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't happen.
Put simply, the TTH theory doesn't offer any solutions that can't be reached by other theories; it simply opens the door for another layer to the pre-existing story of PG, making it more complex.
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well that part at least I agree with.
as to merlin, what if he didn't travel Back in time, but forwards, which in the df, is much easier?
what if hes 10,000 years old?
the possibility of ancient civilizations has been suggested before..
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on February 12, 2013, 09:21:17 PM ---well that part at least I agree with.
as to merlin, what if he didn't travel Back in time, but forwards, which in the df, is much easier?
what if hes 10,000 years old?
the possibility of ancient civilizations has been suggested before..
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My assumption is that Merlin Emrys is/was a mortal wizard. Maybe he is/was ancient, and from Atlantis for all we know. One of the few fictions I read about Merlin was the Lawhead series, where Taliesin was his father, who was born on Atlantis. I don't know where he got that idea from.
But the issue remains that he managed to get all 5 times to occur at once. That's still some sort of time manipulation, which seems beyond your typical mortal practitioner.
As for Merlin being ancient in the Dresdenverse, I think his involvement in the Wouncil eliminates him being anything other than a mortal, right? So unless he's been hanging out in his own crystal cave on DR in a padded crystalline cell, it makes it hard for him to escape aging.
Cenphx:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 12, 2013, 08:32:43 PM ---Not really. I am positing that a universe (real or fictional) could exist such that some modes of time travel, or behaviours while travelling in time, lead to a closed loop, and other modes of time travel, or behaviour while time-travelling lead to changing the past.
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Ahh, there. This makes sense. It seems exceedingly obvious now that you’ve said it, but it wasn’t at all obvious to me before. Not all time travel has to be the same kind of time travel. We could have Tardis-y time travel, and the ribbon time folding-y thing Griffyn612 mentioned and any number of other models, some of which could lead to the closed time loops, others possibly allowing the past to be rewritten. This latter version would be the one which Odin was talking about, and the only one, for sure, that we know about which causes temporal echoes. As a matter of fact, if we incorporate Ms Duck’s point that not every being engaging in time travel will have the same skill or power level, it could be that the differences in such is what results in the ability to change time versus getting stuck in a closed loop.
So to the original question I asked—whether the lack of temporal echoes means that we know Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago—the answer, in my opinion, is no, it does not prove anything because we do not yet know enough about time travel in TDF to know that temporal echoes occur in every situation or what type of time travel would be involved in that particular journey.
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 08:44:15 PM ---I think JB was using that opportunity to establish the idea of parallel alternate timelines in the Dresdenverse. My guess is that someone will use time-travel to change something, or they already have, and JB is going to go the parallel-time-line route rather than the traditional time-travel route. I don't see JB doing both a TT-back story and a TT-parallel story in the remaining 6 books before the BAT. And since he's already shown enthusiasm for a Mirror Mirror story, the TT-back plot is probably out.
And I seriously doubt that Harry will time-travel back to PG to do anything, even if a TT-back plot were introduced. But my point is that he could, and it would explain some things. Pretty much all the other theories are easier, and infintely more likely. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't happen.
Put simply, the TTH theory doesn't offer any solutions that can't be reached by other theories; it simply opens the door for another layer to the pre-existing story of PG, making it more complex.
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Agreed. :) That’s nice to be able to say.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 09:47:11 PM ---My assumption is that Merlin Emrys is/was a mortal wizard. Maybe he is/was ancient, and from Atlantis for all we know. One of the few fictions I read about Merlin was the Lawhead series, where Taliesin was his father, who was born on Atlantis. I don't know where he got that idea from.
But the issue remains that he managed to get all 5 times to occur at once. That's still some sort of time manipulation, which seems beyond your typical mortal practitioner.
As for Merlin being ancient in the Dresdenverse, I think his involvement in the Wouncil eliminates him being anything other than a mortal, right? So unless he's been hanging out in his own crystal cave on DR in a padded crystalline cell, it makes it hard for him to escape aging.
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merlin in mythology is a changeling, tho whether half demon or half sidhe varies. he's also curse to live backwards in time in several version.s
Silkki:
I think most obvious thing to suggest that it's possible to travel trough time even as a mortal is in the laws of magic. If it's impossible unless you are a god, and a strong one at that, the law is meaningless. Something I don't think it is.
Didn't read trough the whole thread so sorry if this was addressed earlier, but the CD energy response was Demonreach chargin in order to use Banefire. It was simply doing it ahead of time cause it was able to sense the incoming attack that would occur in the future.
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