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Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
Cenphx:
We learned from Odin that there are laws that govern the progression of time in relation to space. Altering the future is easier than changing one’s past, which is more than mildly difficult. Overcoming the inertia of an event to remain as it originally occurred requires tremendous energy, will and a measure of simple luck.
The larger, more significant or more energy in the event, the more inertia it has to stay the same and the echoes caused by a temporal event are proportionately greater than the span of time that was bridged. If centuries are bridged, echoes begin far, far in advance. We see that the energy echoes happening in the day before the events at Demonreach allowed Harry to determine that the spell was being cast that same day or hours around that time.
Now consider Little Chicago. If it had not been fixed, it would have exploded with tremendous energy. It would have killed Harry, so it was a significant event in his timeline. Therefore, it is a large, significant, energetic event with an equal amount of inertia working to keep it happening the same way. Therefore, if a time-traveling Harry went back into his own past to fix Little Chicago, which occurred 6 years ago in the Dresden Files timeline, at the very least we should have been seeing echoes 6 years before Proven Guilty, right? And the further in time we get from the fixing of LC to when we see TT Harry make the trip, the early the echoes should have started.
In Cold Days, the echoes we saw from the events at Demonreach included an energy building up, like a steam boiler, that was going to explode and take out the midwest. I'm not sure what kind of echoes to look for from TT Harry stopping the explosion of LC and his own death, but I can't think of anything that would fit the bill.
Does this sound a death knell for the idea that Time Travel Harry fixed Little Chicago? Can anyone think of potential echoes which prove that Harry did travel back in time and avert his own death??
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on February 11, 2013, 11:19:00 PM --- Does this sound a death knell for the idea that Time Travel Harry fixed Little Chicago?
--- End quote ---
No. TTH would not change the past as LC has already been fixed.
wyltok:
You're making the assumption that Future Dresden traveled to the past to change it, rather than Future Dresden traveled to the past to ensure everything happened the way it was meant to. Think Harry Potter and the Prisioner of Azkaban, where Potter makes the Stag Patronus that saves himself and Sirius from the Dementors.
If the situation here is like the one in Harry Potter, then the time travel is aligned with the temporal inertia, rather than against it, so there would be no temporal echoes in the past. Instead, the temporal echoes would occur near the time in the future where Dresden travels to the past, with the echoes being a result of the timeline changing if Dresden fails to do what he already did.
raidem:
Actually, I think you are correct Cenphx. Time Traveling Harry could still be present but he wasn't the one that originally fixed Little Chicago. Someone else did that. It could be possible that he takes the place of the one who did fix it, which would require less effort. Though that still begs the question as to who fixed it in the first place.
Odin, Mab, Mac, Rashid, Ebenezer, Langtry. I'm sure one of those are our culprit.
Ms Duck:
Ill consider it proof. ;D
for one thing, the amount of energy it takes to change anything in the past, from odins explanation, increases exponentially the farther into the future you are from.
its been over 7 years...
all the arguments for time traveling harry require he will some day agin godlike power, and I don't see that happening.
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