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Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
wizard nelson:
reminds me of the terminators time loop. "who fathered john conner before john sent kyle into the past to father him?" the answer is.....
there is no answer :P
or atl no answer in this reality. you'd have to jump ship to the parallel reality in which it didn't happen and thats more complicated by far then any timetravel mechanism.
--- Quote ---I am entirely on for closed causal loop explanations of the form "Harry has to go back because he finds out he did go back", myself.
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although its virtually against my nature, i feel i must give you a virtual hug.... *hugs*
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on February 12, 2013, 04:03:24 PM ---except in a parallel? honestly is it so out there? creating a loop in 1 time line would invariably create parallels in which it did NOT happen or happened without the time travel. but the loop would close in on itself creating the one self consistent timeline. do other people not see this? THAT IS A LOOP. he used time travel to create DR obviously? if there is no time he didn't create it then he always traveled through time and created it, novikov imbodied dude :o
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With the string example, it creates a visual loop, but the two sections of string still exist. They don't merge and become one, causing an infinite loop. They touch, but they don't merge.
The point of the bridge theory is that there isn't a time when the times weren't merged. They were always merged, because the fabric of time-space was manipulated so that those times occur together at that place.
The bridge links the two times on a higher level than we perceive. "Time Travel" usually involved a portal/gate/doorway that sends someone backwards or forwards. In the instance of a temporal bridge, as I'm proposing, there is no backwards or forwards in time; that point in time is the same point in time occurring at 5 times. Everything around it still moves at its normal pace. Millenia before Merlin was born, Merlin appeared on DR to create the prison. If someone else walked onto the island before the bridge was created, and watched Merlin as he cast the wards, then that person could have walked off the island/bridge, and found themselves in one of 5 different times. Assuming that the temporal bridge holding that place and time together didn't rip them apart in the process.
It's not creating a paradox, because reality was warped on a fundamental level to allow the existence of that place in 5 times simultaneously. But only in that one place. The rest of space and time moved along normally.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---The point of the bridge theory is that there isn't a time when the times weren't merged. They were always merged, because the fabric of time-space was manipulated so that those times occur together at that place.
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loop...
--- Quote ---"Time Travel" usually involved a portal/gate/doorway that sends someone backwards or forwards.
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i think here is your problem. your limiting time travel to this and telling us this merging of time is different. a causual loop is merging a whole timestream, same idea applied to the whole thread. basically smoothing out the wrinkle that is your question. "who did it if harry hasn't done it yet."
damn now i wanna read the wrinkle in time again....
wizard nelson:
oh... but if your saying merlin manipulated time and space to create a pocket dimension that exists in 5 times and none, then i agree with that. i wag merlin exists on DR outside of space and time(*shrug* similar has been done by other merlin characters) and this is how he kinda,sorta, didn't die but isn't around anymore.
edit- in science 5 dimensions are used to create the theoretical 'bottomless bags' coincidence merlin created DR in 5 dimensions?
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on February 12, 2013, 05:14:22 PM ---oh... but if your saying merlin manipulated time and space to create a pocket dimension that exists in 5 times and none, then i agree with that. i wag merlin exists on DR outside of space and time(*shrug* similar has been done by other merlin characters) and this is how he kinda,sorta, didn't die but isn't around anymore.
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That's kind of what I'm saying. The loop image above isn't showing where time is overlapping to coexist everywhere; it's like the two points on the string (or in Merlin's case, 5 points) are parallel to each other. Then, Merlin & Co. create a 'pocket dimension', as you call it, a physical area confined to DR that 'bridges' the 5 times into 1 at the single point (DR). That's the needle piercing through the strands at one point, creating a single link through them all, but allowing each strand to still exist individually.
He's not changing time, he's doing something that was always done because someone outside linear time set it up.
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