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Reforging a Mantle + My cup is full [CD Spoilers]
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on January 12, 2013, 12:59:22 AM ---thats the WK mantle. when i said 'nature of the mantle' I meant well.. nature of the mantle. there is a wk mantle. there is a lady manlte. therefor it is very likely there is a queen and mother manlte.. and we allready know of the archive, odin , etc, etc....
of course the wk mantle is a violent idiot. its supposed to be :)
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Hah! The WK mantle is a violent idiot. Maybe spending some time with Harry would give it some brains. Not much though, Harry don't have much himself to begin with and what he have have been bang up and battered the whole series.
Anyway, did anyone think that the WK mantle works a lot like Naruto and Kyuubi?
KevinSig:
Duck, I think I somewhat follow you now, but I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say, or even what this thread is about.
First, all your talk of Mab's mantle seeing all possibilities & constantly reevaluating itself has nothing to do with nature. Nature, as I define it, are hard wired imperatives that the mantle pushes on the bearer. Mab's mantle pushes cool logic, Titania's pushes emotion.
Winter Knight, as you say, is that of a violent idiot.
But the point of this thread, is that Harry has other mantles, & at least immortals can change a mantle on Halloween with bits & pieces like this. So for Harry & subsequent Winter Knights, the imperative might not be that of a violent idiot.
In the case of Mab, if her nature were to be changed, she might become more emotional & not be as closely tied to the embodiment of what is Winter. To stop always thinking so logically & embrace other ways of thought.
That kind of change would require actively tinkering with her mantle & bringing in new parts.
lilylis:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 29, 2012, 07:38:18 PM ---second, is it possible for someone to be both knight of winter and the cross at the same time?
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As Mother Summer says: 'anything is possible'. I would like to think the Winter Knight could also wield a sword of the cross. After all Harry needs a sword of his own.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: KevinSig on January 12, 2013, 01:41:00 AM ---Duck, I think I somewhat follow you now, but I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to say, or even what this thread is about.
First, all your talk of Mab's mantle seeing all possibilities & constantly reevaluating itself has nothing to do with nature. Nature, as I define it, are hard wired imperatives that the mantle pushes on the bearer. Mab's mantle pushes cool logic, Titania's pushes emotion.
Winter Knight, as you say, is that of a violent idiot.
But the point of this thread, is that Harry has other mantles, & at least immortals can change a mantle on Halloween with bits & pieces like this. So for Harry & subsequent Winter Knights, the imperative might not be that of a violent idiot.
In the case of Mab, if her nature were to be changed, she might become more emotional & not be as closely tied to the embodiment of what is Winter. To stop always thinking so logically & embrace other ways of thought.
That kind of change would require actively tinkering with her mantle & bringing in new parts.
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and i think youre over simplyfing things a bit:
the mantles likely have more then one purpose. (mab's for example probably does waaay more then just make her logical.)
the WK, along with making a violent idiot, also has very strong reporductive instincts wired into it where sidhe ladies are concerned.
and I doubt the 'warden of DR' is a mantle at all, frankly. A 'mantle' is in essence, i suspect, a more advanced bob. a programmed knowledge system that can be passed from host to host; some are likely far more advanced then others. While harry gains some information from sharing DR's knowledge, there doesnt seem to be any instinctive programming built into it.
what i believe Mother Summer was saying is that the mantles learn from each bearer, and Harry can choose to change his in some ways if he has enough will.
the WK mantle may be a violent idiot now, but wanna bet that by the time Harry passes it on it wont be?
peregrine:
Where is this idea that Mab thinks always logically? We've seen, even in the most recent book, that Mab can let her decisions be made on an emotional basis. It's why she had Harry do the job, instead of herself.
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