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Connections pt. 2: Suspect for SF-FM-BR-LH (Cold Days Spoilers)
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: GrandPanjandrum on December 21, 2012, 03:54:01 PM ---Oh, man...you have to explain THAT. Otherwise, you're cruel and inhuman.
--- End quote ---
Im a duck ;)
ok.. it has to do with when Harry threatens Mavra at the end of DB. he threatened her with a pile of stuff, but what worried her was the word. And WOJ is that Harry was not bluffing. there is something in the word that can scare vampires, and yet its not the darkhallow.
we also know that as the word was in german, and it was translated by Lash, the translation was not ..100%.. correct. Lash altered things, like how the darkhallow actually works.
we also know that circa 1890, there was a major war between the black court and just about everyone else. How major is being debated, but i don think its a coincidence that Eb used weapons of mass destruction around this time. Now is it coincidence that demonreach was abandonded, or there was likely a meeting between the duchess arriana, maggie sr, lord raith and eb around this time. Nor that, according to Lash, the Black Court was Maggie sr's enemy, nto the Black Council.
I think the war went very very bad ( as The Merlin noted, Harry has no ideas of how bad it can get).. and the white council went to the bench, and started breaking the laws. (thus forming the original Black Council)
there are two options, i believe:
either Kemmler created the black court, and the spell he used is in the word ( they were his servants)
or
Kemmler is a tragic figure. knowing the black court is necromatic, he used the dark powe rof demonreach to smite them hard- and save the world- but was driven mad by it. the spell he used is in the word.
so:
imagine you are Mavra. you have the word (you captured it years ago.)
you are planning to once again try and BWAHAHAHA rule the world
you know the last time your masters tried, they were stopped by an alliance of the major powers, using a combination of sheer firepower, holy weapons, and the magic of necromancers.
the fire power you can handle, youve been planning for years
but you have to mop up those pseky necromancers..
and you know the word, can be used by a necromancer, to make themselves a god .. if its used in chicago on halloween
and you know if the white council finds out they will hunt down the necromancers and kill them..
now all you need to do is:
- put the word someplace where it will be found in time
- set up a catspaw to make theu the WC finds out
-make sure you get the word back afterwards
;D
GrandPanjandrum:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 21, 2012, 05:03:04 PM ---Im a duck ;)
ok.. it has to do with when Harry threatens Mavra at the end of DB. he threatened her with a pile of stuff, but what worried her was the word. And WOJ is that Harry was not bluffing. there is something in the word that can scare vampires, and yet its not the darkhallow.
we also know that as the word was in german, and it was translated by Lash, the translation was not ..100%.. correct. Lash altered things, like how the darkhallow actually works.
we also know that circa 1890, there was a major war between the black court and just about everyone else. How major is being debated, but i don think its a coincidence that Eb used weapons of mass destruction around this time. Now is it coincidence that demonreach was abandonded, or there was likely a meeting between the duchess arriana, maggie sr, lord raith and eb around this time. Nor that, according to Lash, the Black Court was Maggie sr's enemy, nto the Black Council.
I think the war went very very bad ( as The Merlin noted, Harry has no ideas of how bad it can get).. and the white council went to the bench, and started breaking the laws. (thus forming the original Black Council)
there are two options, i believe:
either Kemmler created the black court, and the spell he used is in the word ( they were his servants)
or
Kemmler is a tragic figure. knowing the black court is necromatic, he used the dark powe rof demonreach to smite them hard- and save the world- but was driven mad by it. the spell he used is in the word.
so:
imagine you are Mavra. you have the word (you captured it years ago.)
you are planning to once again try and BWAHAHAHA rule the world
you know the last time your masters tried, they were stopped by an alliance of the major powers, using a combination of sheer firepower, holy weapons, and the magic of necromancers.
the fire power you can handle, youve been planning for years
but you have to mop up those pseky necromancers..
and you know the word, can be used by a necromancer, to make themselves a god .. if its used in chicago on halloween
and you know if the white council finds out they will hunt down the necromancers and kill them..
now all you need to do is:
- put the word someplace where it will be found in time
- set up a catspaw to make theu the WC finds out
-make sure you get the word back afterwards
;D
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Ok...I'm definitely intrigued...but this puts Harry and Cowl (presumably) on the "don't make future plans" list because your days are numbered...since they both know what's in the book. And, I keep going back to Grave Peril (Cowl and Kumori are allegedly there...the two in the hooded cloaks when they're passing out gifts). This implies that after Dead Beat, Mavra is going to be gunning for Cowl (even though he was a cohort until that point). What I have trouble with is that Mavra's plans would be all for naught if Harry had been a tiny bit slower or less ingenious during the Darkhallow. Cowl would have been Godly, and Mavra wouldn't have a prayer. He's not stupid...she would have been one of his first targets. That's a huge risk for someone who seems to be a qualified behind the scenes manipulator...it's a sloppy risk.
PS: Oh, and Evil Bob's out there with the contents of the book as well...and he could make a deal with just about anyone.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: GrandPanjandrum on December 21, 2012, 05:19:21 PM ---Ok...I'm definitely intrigued...but this puts Harry and Cowl (presumably) on the "don't make future plans" list because your days are numbered...since they both know what's in the book. And, I keep going back to Grave Peril (Cowl and Kumori are allegedly there...the two in the hooded cloaks when they're passing out gifts). This implies that after Dead Beat, Mavra is going to be gunning for Cowl (even though he was a cohort until that point). What I have trouble with is that Mavra's plans would be all for naught if Harry had been a tiny bit slower or less ingenious during the Darkhallow. Cowl would have been Godly, and Mavra wouldn't have a prayer. He's not stupid...she would have been one of his first targets. That's a huge risk for someone who seems to be a qualified behind the scenes manipulator...it's a sloppy risk.
PS: Oh, and Evil Bob's out there with the contents of the book as well...and he could make a deal with just about anyone.
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assuming she wasnt there the whole time, ready to take action as needed... (like she was in BR)
or that she didnt trap the spell somehow...
heck planting a small tac nuke under the mesuem green and blowing it at the right time owuld have done the job. but letting the white council finish would have been so much better, as its deniable.
but yes, i think Cowl is very much on Mavra's 'to do' list.
hes the one that got away .
as to evil bob, I dont think mavra knows he exists. She had a chance to examine the real bob in GP, and wasnt worried. the darkhallow was in bob's head, but whatever the black court spell is shes afriad of is probably not
knnn:
Another possibility is that the Darkhallow spell (as written in the Word) was very subtly booby-trapped.
Consider if in order to really complete the Darkhallow what you really need is some poor sap who is going to inhale the magic whirlwind, destroying himself. Then you kill that person and safely transfer the power to you.
Ditto for all the "control the Black Court" magic. If Mavra had her hands on the book, she could have well changed a key ingredient, so that anyone who tried to use the Word against her would be in for a nasty surprise.
- If Mavra knows this, she could might have well released the Word. Anyone who gets their hands on it will just be destroyed.
- If Cowl knows this, it explains why he keeps on suggesting that Harry "take the bounty of the Darkhallow" for himself, and why he let Grevane live all the way to the end.
Ms Duck:
annother option for Mavra is 'why chicago?'
does the word have to be used there?
and what was her plan in gP, really?
Cowl has his goals. nemesis has its. Mavra..
well lets specualt that the balckc ourt elders (who were immortal) are trapped in demon reach ( seems plausible.)
everyone says 'dont touch the dark line'.. why not? because its corrupting?
or maybe because if you do it, the master can escape?
what better way to make certain some idiot touches the dynamite then to put it at ground zero?
- white council kill necromancers: mavra wins
-necromacners win, cast spell using the power of the line she booby trapped in GP: <boom!>
BCE released, mavra wins.
and hey, theyd be hungry.
demi god cowl makes a great snack..
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