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Connections pt. 2: Suspect for SF-FM-BR-LH (Cold Days Spoilers)
Ben de Wal:
--- Quote from: kytheros on December 24, 2012, 04:14:24 AM ---The Wardens are not the entirety of the White Council ... but they probably are the most visible portion.
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sorry my bad skim reading missed part of it
lilylis:
--- Quote from: kytheros on December 24, 2012, 04:14:24 AM ---The Wardens are not the entirety of the White Council ... but they probably are the most visible portion.
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Harry wasn't a warden in Fool Moon although he was considered a council member....he didn't work for them or get a paycheck yet.
Cenphx:
--- Quote from: kytheros on December 24, 2012, 03:27:35 AM ---Well ... somebody was either (badly) misinformed and/or lying outright. As of Fool Moon, Dresden is most definitely not working for the White Council - and while the White Council has the Wardens for policing magic users, that's far from all that the Council does or its primary function.
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Well, the reason I found that particular quote was only to point out that whoever was helping Denton, it wasn't a situation where they handed him the belts and then left him to his own devices. If Cowl was the one who helped Denton and he did not just abandon him, and given the quote, he did not, then in DB, Cowl should've had more first hand knowledge about Harry's capabilities than his statement would suggest.
Re: how bad the info is about Harry working for the WC--I agree, its terrible. Harry even bursts out laughing when Denton tells him about it. There are so many different reasons that statement could've been made that way, I think its impossible to know the specifics. Did Denton just conflate the Wardens and the WC when whoever it was told him about them? Did the person lie on purpose to get Harry killed in a preemptive strike by Denton? Did the person just not know that Harry wasn't working for the WC, let alone the Wardens? I don't think we have any evidence to point us any particular direction.
kytheros:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on December 25, 2012, 01:18:47 AM ---Well, the reason I found that particular quote was only to point out that whoever was helping Denton, it wasn't a situation where they handed him the belts and then left him to his own devices. If Cowl was the one who helped Denton and he did not just abandon him, and given the quote, he did not, then in DB, Cowl should've had more first hand knowledge about Harry's capabilities than his statement would suggest.
Re: how bad the info is about Harry working for the WC--I agree, its terrible. Harry even bursts out laughing when Denton tells him about it. There are so many different reasons that statement could've been made that way, I think its impossible to know the specifics. Did Denton just conflate the Wardens and the WC when whoever it was told him about them? Did the person lie on purpose to get Harry killed in a preemptive strike by Denton? Did the person just not know that Harry wasn't working for the WC, let alone the Wardens? I don't think we have any evidence to point us any particular direction.
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Fair point - it does indicate that Denton's source for the belts didn't just leave him to his own devices.
On the information front ... Denton pretty clearly had bad information. I'm dubious about it having been an attempt to get Dresden killed preemptively - there's no known reason (or entity) as of Fool Moon that wants Dresden dead. It is a strong point against Cowl being closely involved - his info seems to be better than that, plus no reason to want Dresden dead. It also pretty well wipes out any possibility of the Erlking being involved.
I don't see any apparent reason for the belt-distributor to lie about Dresden the White Council solely existing to police magic users and Dresden being one of them, or to attribute everything the Wardens do onto all of the White Council.
I'm inclined to suspect that the entity that gave Denton the belts also had bad information, but I'm not quite sure why or who that would - or could - have been.
Phariah:
there is no one individual. it is the circle.
belts were given to FBI agents an let loose. they were going after Marcone. Marcone who claimed Harry was working for him in SF which was where Bianca's aide was killed. she wanted revenge on Harry why not Marcone? also Reds were working to gain territory in Chicago while Marcone was holding them off. not saying Bianca created them but could have been motivational as to where they were aimed. than lets not forget the Bloodline curse is based fom the RCV.
remember the Outsiders look all chaotic an stuff but are big time team work faction. so why wouldn't their operatives? infected beings of differing factions work together. trying to hang it all on one person doesnt work for me. though Cowl seems to be the point man in certain missions.
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