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[CD spoilers] Proven Guilty

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the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
And in working my way back through CD-related posts, I just now found this, and gosh, I feel all vindicated.

There is one point I want to question, though; this discussion seems to be operating on the basis that the withdrawal of winter forces to protect the Wellspring affected the forces at the Outer Gates as well as those on the border with Summer.  Have we any firm textual basis for that, or is it an assumption ?

Alternatively, if it did turn out to be the case that forces were withdrawn from the Outer gates, and operating on the presumption that Lily can have been deceived by Maeve such that any information from Lily is suspect, is it workable that that withdrawal was what allowed Nemesis in, and everything previous to PG is still explainable in pre-Nemesis terms ?  (Aurora would seem to be the hardest case to find an alternate explanation for.)

Some part of my brain wants to think of Nemesis along with HWWB and Sharkface as Mac's three.

(I still don't work for the CIA, and I'm still totally going to ask Jim to let me use that quote on the cover if I ever sell any fiction.)

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 03:39:40 PM ---One point: i wouldnt trust what Mab says about why she took Molly, if i were you. man was being elusive again. shes very good at not quite answering the question you ask.

the idea that Mab took up Molly because Harry trusted her has a major hole- Mab started the operation before Harry trusted her. ergo, shes either not telling the entire truth or she can see the future.

--- End quote ---
Not really. She usually does not tell all her reasons only those she thinks are enough to convince the listener. She prepared Molly for something but it was a long therm project taking years and Harry trusting Molly was an important confirmation. These plans can be adapted on the fly all the time. She saw the possibilities from the start but tyhe confirmation is important.

ntribley:
These theories make a of sense. One of the things that always bothered me about the Arctis Tor scenario was that we were really not given any good reason in the book as to why the Fetches brought Molly to Arctis Tor in the first place. The only reason given was that in her they would really be able to chow down on a fear feast, but the truth was, Molly came through that incident apparently unscathed. Sure, she found out that she'd broken one of the Laws of Magic, was nearly beheaded, became Harry's apprentice, and found she had to live with her family and finish high school. But she certainly doesn't exhibit the signs that her psyche had been shredded by the fetches. Far from it. So what were they doing with her the whole time they held her in Arctis Tor? Doesn't look like they were doing much of anything.

Radhil:

--- Quote ---But she certainly doesn't exhibit the signs that her psyche had been shredded by the fetches. Far from it. So what were they doing with her the whole time they held her in Arctis Tor? Doesn't look like they were doing much of anything.
--- End quote ---

Maybe they were chewing their food slowly?  Molly's first reaction to being free was collapsing in exhaustion in Charity's arms and chanting "Mama."  And her second reaction was to wake up and be afraid of her family's reaction and try to sneak off.  Maybe her psyche wasn't digested to the point of coma, but the girl went through a lot.

Also, if Mab wanted her for any reason beyond Harry-bait, it'd give them a much bigger reason to softball her.

I'm still trying to read through and re-org my own thoughts on PG in light of new revelations, I'll try to be back to comment more later.

DFJunkie:
"Mab fixed little Chicago" is practically a slam dunk now that we know Faeries can cross thresholds if they have a benevolent purpose.

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