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[CD spoilers] Proven Guilty
Second Aristh:
Interesting. I'm still puzzling through motivations and implications, but I think you are correct.
You're right about the Eldest Fetch. We won't know if he was infected until we know if Mab intended for the Wellspring to get damaged. So, if Mab sent all of the fetches, who was the target for the attack after Pell? The attack when Maeve casts the ward and the myrrk sticks out as wanton bloodshed. It feels inefficient for a Mab order.
Also for the Pell attack to secure the Way to Arctis Tor, the fetches needed the Way to get Molly to (and possibly back from) the Wellspring anyway. It didn't have to be specifically for Harry. I could see Maeve taking advantage of an open door by sending Harry to try to keep her mother off balance.
Is there another instance where time-travel is linked to the Gatekeeper? I remember he waited for Michael in Molly's trial and did something with his eye in TC on the dock, but not any other ones off the top of my head. Mab would see Rashid enough for her to send a message certainly. I'll go with time travel for now, but if we don't get more evidence I might reconsider later on.
Elegast:
--- Quote ---You're right about the Eldest Fetch. We won't know if he was infected until we know if Mab intended for the Wellspring to get damaged. So, if Mab sent all of the fetches, who was the target for the attack after Pell? The attack when Maeve casts the ward and the myrrk sticks out as wanton bloodshed. It feels inefficient for a Mab order.
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The attack n°2 was to make Harry send back the fectches. Harry was expecting the summoner to die, so he wouldn't have cast the redirection spell unless the fetches had already killed some civilians.
--- Quote ---Also for the Pell attack to secure the Way to Arctis Tor, the fetches needed the Way to get Molly to (and possibly back from) the Wellspring anyway. It didn't have to be specifically for Harry. I could see Maeve taking advantage of an open door by sending Harry to try to keep her mother off balance.
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Possible.
--- Quote ---Is there another instance where time-travel is linked to the Gatekeeper? I remember he waited for Michael in Molly's trial and did something with his eye in TC on the dock, but not any other ones off the top of my head. Mab would see Rashid enough for her to send a message certainly. I'll go with time travel for now, but if we don't get more evidence I might reconsider later on.
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In Summer Knight, he can see some events from afar, in TC he can predict the future of the confrontation between Harry and the wardens.
--- Quote from: Summer Knight ---"Looking for you," he said.
"You've been watching?"
He shook his head. "Call it listening. But I have had glimpses of you. And matters are worsening in Chicago."
"Stars and stones," I muttered and picked up my boots. "I don't have time to chat."
The Gatekeeper put a gloved hand on my arm. "But you do," he said. "My vision is limited, but I know that you have accomplished your mission for the Winter Queen. She will keep her end of the bargain, grant us safe passage through her realm. So far as the Council is concerned, that will be enough. You would be safe."
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knnn:
I just had a random thought on PG time travel, but didn't know where better to put it:
1) Harry always seems to have company/friends he relies on to do the job. It gives him the ability to be "more", and from an author perspective, gives us great dialogue.
2) If there is a book that is seriously about time travel, then Harry cannot bring too many of his friends -- the more he brings, the harder it will be to keep things quiet and avoid paradox.
3) What if he just brings Molly? Does the inclusion of a Winter Lady Molly working behind the scenes (veiled, etc.) work for PG?
...Is waiting for a book named "Veil Time". ;)
Ms Duck:
One point: i wouldnt trust what Mab says about why she took Molly, if i were you. man was being elusive again. shes very good at not quite answering the question you ask.
the idea that Mab took up Molly because Harry trusted her has a major hole- Mab started the operation before Harry trusted her. ergo, shes either not telling the entire truth or she can see the future.
Paladino:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 05, 2012, 03:34:00 AM ---About the Eldest Fetch: he made Harry attack the well. So his loyalty depends on Mab's intention: did she wanted Harry to pour summer fire in the Winter well? If yes, then Eldest was a loyal minion. If no, then he was an infected traitor working for Nemesis.
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I find entirely plausible that Mab wanted Harry to hit the winter well, so his power over outsider magic would weaken nemesis hold on Lea, allowing Mab the chance she need to heal her, or just to speed things up. She just didn't plan for him to use Summer Fire.
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 13, 2012, 03:39:40 PM ---One point: i wouldnt trust what Mab says about why she took Molly, if i were you. man was being elusive again. shes very good at not quite answering the question you ask.
the idea that Mab took up Molly because Harry trusted her has a major hole- Mab started the operation before Harry trusted her. ergo, shes either not telling the entire truth or she can see the future.
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I think Mab have many plans going at the same time. That she saw potential on Molly, or just noticed Sandra Marling (BC/Nemesis) interest on her and wanted to know twart them and to know why they were interested in the first place. So she strikes to bunnies with one stone in kidnapping Molly, get to check her and bring Harry to Artic Tor.
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