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[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
peregrine:
--- Quote from: knnn on January 02, 2013, 09:35:49 PM ---No, he's talking about the fire spell Harry uses in the middle of the book - right at the end of the masquerade. Harry's heart stops and Michael revives him.
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Ah, now I see.
I still don't think it's that easy to cast and survive a death curse, but I could see the argument. I'd look more for the rage of Harry, plus the effects of the vampire venom causing his heart to give out on him after such an exertion than a proper death cursing, but the principle is very similar, I'm sure.
madness:
--- Quote from: peregrine on January 02, 2013, 09:44:20 PM ---Ah, now I see.
I still don't think it's that easy to cast and survive a death curse, but I could see the argument. I'd look more for the rage of Harry, plus the effects of the vampire venom causing his heart to give out on him after such an exertion than a proper death cursing, but the principle is very similar, I'm sure.
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If I had to go on record I would say that it wasn't a full death curse.
More like a "used so much magic that it killed him" curse rather than a formal death curse. This could well be another one of those "shades of grey" issues that mortals have trouble with (death, evil, free will, souls, etc.).
Rather than putting ALL of his spirit (or whatever) into the curse like he would a death curse my guess is that he just put some of his spirit into it (a small enough amount that there was something left of his spirit to reinhabit his body when Michael did CPR). Sort of like he uses bits of his soul when using soul-fire.
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: madness on January 02, 2013, 09:57:25 PM ---If I had to go on record I would say that it wasn't a full death curse.
More like a "used so much magic that it killed him" curse rather than a formal death curse. This could well be another one of those "shades of grey" issues that mortals have trouble with (death, evil, free will, souls, etc.).
Rather than putting ALL of his spirit (or whatever) into the curse like he would a death curse my guess is that he just put some of his spirit into it (a small enough amount that there was something left of his spirit to reinhabit his body when Michael did CPR). Sort of like he uses bits of his soul when using soul-fire.
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I'm inclined to think it was a full death curse because the effect was like something we've never seen before (and we have a WoJ that death curses have a quality that makes them stand out from merely supercharged spells).
madness:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 02, 2013, 08:39:53 PM ---Hmmm...so either Cowl left early or he didn't see the maybe-Death Curse as an example of why Harry was making the Wardens so nervous (Perhaps Harry didn't make the Wardens nervous before GP?).
I'm don't quite get what you're saying here. Why can't Cowl be Simon and be an ally of the Fomor?
Also can you be more specific as to why re-reading of Dead Beat while specifically thinking about a Cowl = Simon theory made that theory more difficult to swallow?
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1) My guess is that Cowl and Kumori were smart enough to get the heck out of Dodge once the violence kicked off. The whole point of using proxies is that you avoid taking physical risks yourself.
2) There is no definite reason that I can think of that Cowl could not be Simon as well as a servant of the Fomor.
3) A more careful re-read of Dead Beat left me with the impression that Cowl had worked with Kemmler and/or the Kemmlerites before and had a relationship with them going way back before Archangel. It is possible that this could still apply to Simon but it just doesn't quite feel right.
They treat him as a peer of sorts but not as an intense rival (like they treat each other). This makes me think that he is an ally but an outsider (not a Kemmlerite). If you look at the Kemmlerites as filling the same role as Vittorio or Bianca I think that it feels similar. An outside power offering assistance and the idiots taking the power not being smart enough to realize that they are being played.
madness:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 02, 2013, 10:06:07 PM ---I'm inclined to think it was a full death curse because the effect was like something we've never seen before (and we have a WoJ that death curses have a quality that makes them stand out from merely supercharged spells).
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The unique and complex nature of the spell was the tip-off for me as well. Not to mention that he was suicidal and drawing power when he should have had none.
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