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Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?

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Serack:

--- Quote from: knnn on November 29, 2012, 08:13:07 PM ---I may have to go and re-read that section, but my impression is that Thomas is simply commenting on Lara's power-grab ever since the events of White Night.  I believe there's a WoJ about how Maggie's death curse shut down White Court expansionist policy for two decades, with a closing statement of "It's only after the events of WN that... but I think I gave away too much".

Normally, i'd summon Serack for the exact quote, but since I'm replying to you....

Anyway, I see it more as the White Court bouncing back to "normal" rather than external corruption.  That battlecruiser in Changes is a scary example of the potential Lara has.

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Excellent point


--- Quote from: jimbutcher on December 11, 2006, 08:29:10 PM ---They sometimes do. :)  See what happened to all the vampires around Simon when they assaulted his compound immediately prior to the onstage events in Summer Knight.

However, while taking your killer down with you might be the most immediately gratifying thing to do with a death curse (assuming that they haven't up and prepared to defend against that kind of magical retaliation, which only a real moron *wouldn't* do if they knew they were off to murder a wizard), it might not be the SMARTEST thing you could do with it.  Still, magic in the Dresden universe is only as formidable as a wizard's imagination can make it.

I mean, Maggie's death curse on Raith did /more/ than render him virtually powerless.  It freaking crippled the entire White Court by rendering its head executive suddenly unwilling to get aggressive.  It took that same executive's focus and warped it from an outwardly-oriented expansionist agenda (What, did you really think Raith just bumped into Maggie at a /bar/ somewhere?) to one of frantic power-defense, paranoia, and infighting.  Had she merely killed Raith, another vampire much like him would simply have stepped into his shoes.  Instead, her curse sandbagged the entire White Court for two or three /decades/.

It isn't until the events of White Night that the White Court really begins to . . .

. . .but perhaps I've said too much.   ::)

Anyway, Maggie's curse, of course, also made Raith suffer.  Horribly.  It made him live in a constant state of drug-withdrawal-level hunger, and fear, and eventually reduced him to outright slavery to someone with centuries of comeuppance to dish out.  But that was just icing on the cake.
Jim

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tuttman1234:
I don't think Lara is currently infected. Nemesis Maeve made a point of saying that it would be nice to have someone close to Lara. If Lara was infected, couldn't Lara infect Justine pretty much whenever she wanted to? Or infect someone else, someone human, and have that person infect Justine, to get around the whole protection thing.

Serack:
knnn did a great job of pointing out alternative explenations for my suspicions.  I'm happy with her on the list again :)

sjsharks:

--- Quote from: Serack on November 29, 2012, 08:30:03 PM ---knnn did a great job of pointing out alternative explenations for my suspicions.  I'm happy with her on the list again :)

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As off topic as it may be, do you have any other important new WoJ that I have missed in my absence?

Thork:
The biggest set of questions I have right now revolve around Lucifer.

Lucifer's traditionally referred to as "the Adversary" and has a history of corrupting people by granting them free will, just like Nemesis. He's been consistently off-screen in the books so far, but he definitely exists.

So the big question is, then -- did the Adversary/Nemesis corrupt Lucifer, or is Lucifer "The Adversary"? It's an important question because it also speaks to the power of the White God over Outsiders -- are they truly Outside his Creation? Outside his Plan, or part of it? If "The Adversary" is Lucifer, then the Outsiders are, at least theoretically, part of God's Plan; if Lucifer, and the demonic evils he represents and leads,  are a separate evil from the outsiders, then maybe the Outsiders aren't part of God's Plan, which is terrifying on a whole 'nother level.

In other words, is what happened to Molly part of God's Plan, or a corruption of it?

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