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Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
Aluman:
--- Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 07:50:39 PM ---Actually, strike that. The Outsiders work together. All of them.
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Actually we only have Harry's perspective that they do. There is some ancillary evidence that they don't. Notably the fact that Harry still breathes despite him being 'outsider bane' and HWWB having had a free shot at a young Harry.
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: Aluman on November 29, 2012, 07:55:09 PM ---We don't, but the fact he works with HWWB isn't a point that he would be infected, and the fact of the matter is he would be free of the curse if it was Nemesis protecting him instead of HWWB, as Nemesis is part of him and HWWB is just a servant of sorts.
I'm just saying assuming he is infected maybe a wrong step. Though if he is, Lara is as well as he is still alive.
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I don't think I'm understanding what your saying at the end there. But why would Nemesis be able to have blocked Maggie's death curse? It targeted his Hunger, not him.
--- Quote ---She has massive amounts of magic power, not will power. She has the will power of a young child.When did she have contact with an Outsider?
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She brought Mordite to the dual with Ortega.
And I thought it was said that the Archive has the life and memories of all the past Archives. Wouldn't that give her immense amounts of willpower?
--- Quote ---I know I am missing like a third of them as this discussion is too much fun and I barely have time to keep up with you.
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I had forgotten how much fun I had doing this. I'm glad I decided to come back :)
--- Quote from: Aluman on November 29, 2012, 07:56:43 PM ---Actually we only have Harry's perspective that they do. There is some ancillary evidence that they don't. Notably the fact that Harry still breathes despite him being 'outsider bane' and HWWB having had a free shot at a young Harry.
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At that point in time, Justin was trying to get Harry to become a killer. HWWB was training Harry to become a scary magical power, and he succeeded. HWWB could have thought that he had Harry on his side at that point, or he may still think he can get Harry.
Aluman:
--- Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 08:02:41 PM ---I don't think I'm understanding what your saying at the end there. But why would Nemesis be able to have blocked Maggie's death curse? It targeted his Hunger, not him.
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Because targeting his hunger would eventually kill him.
--- Quote ---She brought Mordite to the dual with Ortega.
And I thought it was said that the Archive has the life and memories of all the past Archives. Wouldn't that give her immense amounts of willpower?
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The mordite is a good point, but the whole reason she was targeted in SmF was that she still had the resistance of a child to outside influences, if I recall correctly (which I might be off)
--- Quote ---I had forgotten how much fun I had doing this. I'm glad I decided to come back :)
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Same here :)
--- Quote ---At that point in time, Justin was trying to get Harry to become a killer. HWWB was training Harry to become a scary magical power, and he succeeded. HWWB could have thought that he had Harry on his side at that point, or he may still think he can get Harry.
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I just think it hints that the Outsiders are as fractious as Reality is, only from either perspective you see a slim portion of it (The front lines so to speak). So while the Outsiders need only target a handful of true blocks on them (Winter, Warden, Gatekeep), they instead muck around with other things (ThirdEye, et cetera); and just like during the Cold War we presume our opponent is of single mind and conviction, when they aren't.
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: Aluman on November 29, 2012, 08:07:29 PM ---Because targeting his hunger would eventually kill him.
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I can't think of what to say to the rest of your stuff, and don't have the time now. But isn't that exactly what Maggie's curse did? Make it so he couldn't feed his Hunger?
knnn:
--- Quote from: Serack on November 29, 2012, 07:47:29 PM ---This kinda brings up the question to me. Could Maeve not have known who was infected outside her sphere of influence (I.E. since she was not a sock puppet and thus wasn't omnicient on the Nemesis' plans) and thus was excited about a vector to Lara while being ignorant of her status? Thomas sure did make a big deal about Lara's actions changing lately. In an Ambitious nature. Which equates to two huge red flags to me.
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I may have to go and re-read that section, but my impression is that Thomas is simply commenting on Lara's power-grab ever since the events of White Night. I believe there's a WoJ about how Maggie's death curse shut down White Court expansionist policy for two decades, with a closing statement of "It's only after the events of WN that... but I think I gave away too much".
Normally, i'd summon Serack for the exact quote, but since I'm replying to you....
Anyway, I see it more as the White Court bouncing back to "normal" rather than external corruption. That battlecruiser in Changes is a scary example of the potential Lara has.
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