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Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: Thork on November 29, 2012, 08:40:40 PM ---The biggest set of questions I have right now revolve around Lucifer.
Lucifer's traditionally referred to as "the Adversary" and has a history of corrupting people by granting them free will, just like Nemesis. He's been consistently off-screen in the books so far, but he definitely exists.
So the big question is, then -- did the Adversary/Nemesis corrupt Lucifer, or is Lucifer "The Adversary"? It's an important question because it also speaks to the power of the White God over Outsiders -- are they truly Outside his Creation? Outside his Plan, or part of it? If "The Adversary" is Lucifer, then the Outsiders are, at least theoretically, part of God's Plan; if Lucifer, and the demonic evils he represents and leads, are a separate evil from the outsiders, then maybe the Outsiders aren't part of God's Plan, which is terrifying on a whole 'nother level.
In other words, is what happened to Molly part of God's Plan, or a corruption of it?
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I don't think that we will ever find out if Nemesis is of TWG's creation or not, because I don't think we will ever truly see TWG or get a real scope for His power.
Thork:
--- Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 08:42:36 PM ---I don't think that we will ever find out if Nemesis is of TWG's creation or not, because I don't think we will ever truly see TWG or get a real scope for His power.
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We kinda have to, though. We're already on a collision course for an answer to this question, just with the Denarians. Why was Nicodemus so surprised by the attack on Arctis Tor? Was he surprised because it meant his other Denarians were "infected" (i.e., Denarians can be evil without being infected, i.e., not all fallen angels are infected, i.e., Lucifer != Nemesis), or just because it meant Lucifer was running a plot he didn't know about? Lucifer would certainly have the metaphysical oomph to mount an attack on Arctis Tor!
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: Thork on November 29, 2012, 08:45:53 PM ---We kinda have to, though. We're already on a collision course for an answer to this question, just with the Denarians. Why was Nicodemus so surprised by the attack on Arctis Tor? Was he surprised because it meant his other Denarians were "infected" (i.e., Denarians can be evil without being infected, i.e., not all fallen angels are infected, i.e., Lucifer != Nemesis), or just because it meant Lucifer was running a plot he didn't know about? Lucifer would certainly have the metaphysical oomph to mount an attack on Arctis Tor!
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I'm sure we will see Lucifer. But he is allowed to cheat and directly act. TWG is not.
Serack:
--- Quote from: sjsharks on November 29, 2012, 08:39:55 PM ---As off topic as it may be, do you have any other important new WoJ that I have missed in my absence?
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Since feb or aug? (I checked for breaks in postings, and those are what I found) Since August check the sticky I made about Cold Days interviews...
Oh, check out this one on Ivy and the Oblivion war, that one is pretty big
Other than that, when I update the link list in the WoJ section I make an update post so you can check there for general time frames for new WoJ sources.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Thork on November 29, 2012, 08:45:53 PM ---We kinda have to, though. We're already on a collision course for an answer to this question, just with the Denarians. Why was Nicodemus so surprised by the attack on Arctis Tor? Was he surprised because it meant his other Denarians were "infected" (i.e., Denarians can be evil without being infected, i.e., not all fallen angels are infected, i.e., Lucifer != Nemesis), or just because it meant Lucifer was running a plot he didn't know about? Lucifer would certainly have the metaphysical oomph to mount an attack on Arctis Tor!
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Regarding the assault on AT, when Harry finally pours fire into the Well of Winter, Lea tells him that "all of us [Winter]" are coming to get him. If this includes those on the Outer Gates, then this could totally have been an opportunity for an Outsider incursion....
It goes against the WoJs I have lined up, but maybe that was the point of the assault in the first place?
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