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Cold Days Book Club - Chapters 45-53 **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on March 03, 2013, 08:27:37 PM ---Aye. But Lily was Summer Knight. So she definitely was a Summer Vessel in moment of Aurora death.
Indeed. I just thought that those conditions would be more severe.
I have to check. I remember some fragment about changelings that they can go mortal, remain between or lose their souls and turn full Sidhe.
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Harry is a linear thinker. You either have a soul or you don't. But everything points to the fact that it is not that simple. It takes time to lose your soul. Even Mab does have some small bits left.
--- Quote ---Or - she needs working Winter Lady. And she needed her soon. If Maeve was much further in He Who Walks Between hands, it would take probably few years maybe decades to cure her. And all those time mantle of Lady would be useless.
It makes sense - if Mab just want to stop Maeve she could like rip her into pieces and it would take long, long time for Maeve to recover. But it would left Winter without Lady.
So even if Maeve would want to cure, Mab didn't have enough time for it. More tragic for Mab I suppose.
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I don't think so. Mab really wanted to cure Maeve but it just was not possible without her cooperation.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---Harry is a linear thinker. You either have a soul or you don't. But everything points to the fact that it is not that simple. It takes time to lose your soul. Even Mab does have some small bits left.
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Maybe. Or maybe losing soul don't necessarily leads to total dehumanisation. Some spirits who (except of Harry) are just born from memories and emotions acts like people, feel and hurt. If Mab was a mortal one day, then even if she lost her soul or destroy it to become Winter Queen - it still means she remember her former self. She remain her feelings, and memories, losing free will and consciousness. Little bit like vamps in BtVS, human soul was gone, demon was in, but character often remain the same.
--- Quote ---I don't think so. Mab really wanted to cure Maeve but it just was not possible without her cooperation.
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Maybe it was maybe it isn't. I mean even if to cure her like she cured Lea she would need cooperation, that doesn't mean that she have to kill Maeve. She could lock her or crush her so much that she wouldn't be a treat or useful pawn for Outsiders for long, long time. But Maeve told her that she need Winter Lady for things to come. And they will come relatively sooner than later.
Mr. Death:
In regard to Molly being with Lea making her a vessel, there's a bit where, right after Harry meets with the Mothers, he takes a shower and specifically notes that he's doing it because that kind of interaction with a Fae leaves a mark on you that he wants to ground out and wash off with the shower. It's likely Molly didn't know to take that precaution.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---In regard to Molly being with Lea making her a vessel, there's a bit where, right after Harry meets with the Mothers, he takes a shower and specifically notes that he's doing it because that kind of interaction with a Fae leaves a mark on you that he wants to ground out and wash off with the shower. It's likely Molly didn't know to take that precaution.
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I suppose if shower was enough to take it down, then the sunrise would be enough as well. Even if Molly didn't take shower few months after Harry's death. I suppose its rather master-scholar relationship.
matolilyfu:
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on March 04, 2013, 11:29:04 PM ---I suppose if shower was enough to take it down, then the sunrise would be enough as well. Even if Molly didn't take shower few months after Harry's death. I suppose its rather master-scholar relationship.
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Remember in GS, Murphy urged Molly to stay at her house for a meal, "a shower"... Surrendering hygiene can expose you to lots of things - who knew it could help turn you into a vessel of Winter?
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