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Harry is Kemmler reborn
mattrox:
I have to say shot in back of head is completely dead. Now in this series that does not bar you from making a come back it appears.
Dust Bunny:
--- Quote from: SAZ on November 24, 2012, 03:05:10 AM ---Also Harry has been soul gazed by folks like Michael and Eb and met with approval. If Harry is Kemmler then Eb and Uriel’s team are all closet evil doers molding Harry waiting for him to remember his true self.
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This. Further, I would hazard a guess that Uriel can see whatever information a soul-gaze transmits without actually entering a soul-gaze.
lunyboy:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 24, 2012, 02:24:32 AM ---I'm not seeing it. Kravos' ghost is a bunch of memories, no soul involved, and Kravos is a sorcerer, not a wizard, so all Harry gets from it is a handful of pre-charged spells which we never see him use again after the end of GP, so it seems logical that they are all used up; no long-term effect at all sfaict.
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We are told that Kemmler used this exact technique of devouring spirits (not souls) as fuel for his own power, and the more powerful the spirits, the more power he gets from it; all in service to exposition of his evil insanity. Each time it is brought up, by Bob, by Mort, by the Wardens or other figures in reference to Kemmler, we are told that the spirits are scared of him, he devours them, or they feed his power. The ascension rite itself is fueled by eating spirits.
And we have no evidence that there is no long term effects, one way or the other. Should Harry have long term access to the spells just because he devoured the spirit? I have no idea, but that doesn't mean that extra boost has gone away, nor the mark of the spirit-Kravos. I am not saying you're wrong, but it just bugged me then, and topic brought it all back up.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 24, 2012, 02:24:32 AM ---I'm not seeing it. Kravos' ghost is a bunch of memories, no soul involved, and Kravos is a sorcerer, not a wizard, so all Harry gets from it is a handful of pre-charged spells which we never see him use again after the end of GP, so it seems logical that they are all used up; no long-term effect at all sfaict.
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--- Quote from: Our World Page 161 ---The Nightmare was hoisted by his own
petard in the end: as he’d consumed Harry’s
power, Harry consumed him, entirely, regaining
his stolen talent…as well as Kravos’.
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Between this and the comment about him having a lot more stains from black magic than from what he's done by the Loa back in DM I'd say he did keep the power.
Even though you dislike the rpg being used for quotes, I'd say Harry's probably a reliable source on the matter of whether or not he kept Kravos' power.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: CenturionsofRome on November 24, 2012, 01:50:45 AM ---Could someone explain D-E-D dead please? it is useed quite alot and the term isnt in the dictionary.
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It is just emphasis I think. Screaming if you want to be less polite. You do these things if people are not listening.
It only tells you that the soul has left the body and not if it still has some options to get back or get another one. People never seem to ask Jim if someone is dead and departed. Moved on.
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