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Harry is Kemmler reborn
Brightbane:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on November 24, 2012, 02:24:32 AM ---I'm not seeing it. Kravos' ghost is a bunch of memories, no soul involved, and Kravos is a sorcerer, not a wizard, so all Harry gets from it is a handful of pre-charged spells which we never see him use again after the end of GP, so it seems logical that they are all used up; no long-term effect at all sfaict.
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Yeah, but all of them are just a bunch of memories. Harry was an extremely rare case that still had his soul attached.
And on the d-e-d thing it's a cartoon reference I believe. Maybe the guy who hunted bugs bunny? He always spelled things out but spelled them wrong
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Brightbane on November 24, 2012, 07:20:46 AM ---Yeah, but all of them are just a bunch of memories. Harry was an extremely rare case that still had his soul attached.
And on the d-e-d thing it's a cartoon reference I believe. Maybe the guy who hunted bugs bunny? He always spelled things out but spelled them wrong
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Maybe rare but not extremely rare. Everything points to corpstaker as having a soul as well. Kemmler must have used the sa me trick as well.i think it is a path you can choose when you die in the dresdenverse. You might need knowledge, ability or opportunity but maybe not even that.
It could be the reason for ancestor worship. If your ancestors stay with the tribe and the tribe keeps remembering them they could be a source of spiritual power.
Anthony:
--- Quote from: lunyboy on November 24, 2012, 03:56:09 AM ---We are told that Kemmler used this exact technique of devouring spirits (not souls) as fuel for his own power, and the more powerful the spirits, the more power he gets from it; all in service to exposition of his evil insanity.
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We Also know that memories are important to ghosts. No more memories, no more ghost. When sir Stuart shot the ghost, he used memories as a bullet. And he got "energy" back from the remains of the ghost. If I recall correctly, Harry did something similar while being a ghost. The fact that you can do something similar does not make you Kemmler.
Besides, We have been speculating that Kemmler could jump bodies like Corpstaker. It seems far more likely that he jumped bodies before he died than that he somehow was reborn in another body without the memories, drive and desires. Simon for example was fighting him and could be one of the people he jumped into (his disappearance/death later being a great way for him to return to his old dealings). Then again this does not explain how Kemmler returned the first time. It would help a lot if we had more info on Kemmler (besides how he did it ;)). Things as, Did the returned Kemmler have the same body? Was he helped with his return? Were certain items important in the returning process? etc...
So I do not believe that Harry is Kemmler reborn. Evil Bob would have recognised Harry as being him. But you and others make a valid point that the darkness in Harry must be explained somehow.
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on November 24, 2012, 02:33:05 AM ---D-E-D dead is Jim emphasizing dead and being cute at the same time.
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I might be mistaken, but isn't "Dead, D-E-D Dead" also a movie quote?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on November 24, 2012, 06:25:05 AM ---Between this and the comment about him having a lot more stains from black magic than from what he's done by the Loa back in DM I'd say he did keep the power.
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Distinguishing the putative mark of Kravos from the independently confirmed mark of HWWB there seems kind of hard.
--- Quote ---Even though you dislike the rpg being used for quotes, I'd say Harry's probably a reliable source on the matter of whether or not he kept Kravos' power.
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If so, we've seen precious little allusion to it since.
lunyboy:
--- Quote from: Anthony on November 24, 2012, 10:08:58 AM ---We Also know that memories are important to ghosts. No more memories, no more ghost. When sir Stuart shot the ghost, he used memories as a bullet. And he got "energy" back from the remains of the ghost. If I recall correctly, Harry did something similar while being a ghost. The fact that you can do something similar does not make you Kemmler.
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No, the thing that makes you similar is the choice to do it.
--- Quote from: Anthony on November 24, 2012, 10:08:58 AM ---So I do not believe that Harry is Kemmler reborn. Evil Bob would have recognised Harry as being him. But you and others make a valid point that the darkness in Harry must be explained somehow.
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Yeah, I am also unconvinced, but I can definitely see the plausibility with this compendium. I think it might be worth while to index and categorize the dark things he's done, now that we have a clearer picture of the altercation with Justin and HWWB.
I must admit that I am a bit more like Bob when it comes to the good vs. evil lines-in-the-sand on a per book basis, and would have to re-read the books JUST to inventory the questionable actions I gloss over ordinarily.
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