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The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
breck:
For the record my thinking is not very original on little chicago, i think lea did it or mab did it because of lea's obligations. Of course there is another wizard who spend a considerable portion of her time in harry's basement. Her skill set is entirely different from harry's as well. Perhaps she saw something that was intuitive to her that someone not versed in the subtle arts would have missed. For instance I am a prety decent hand at building computers but my friend bridget works for dell, she often fixes things i did not realise i had missed and considers them so beneath her notice that she rarely mentions it when i have something on my work bench and she is bored.
lt_murgen:
I am a fan of the Time Travelling Harry solution as well, but in a different manner:
1) The events of Proven Guilty have a huge amount of things going on in the background, most specifically and attack on Arctic Tor. I can see Harry desperately needing to know what really happened that day.
2) He uncovers information that the assault force left the real world from Chicago. I suspect they found a way to move from the real world to the heart of Winter quickly, thus attempting to catch Mab unawares. Possibly he learns this through the knowledge of the Ways left by his mother, and finds clues to confirm.
3) This is where LC comes into play. It becomes the only way he can find out the remainder of the info he needs. Thus, he needs to go back in time. But Harry is no fool, he knows all about paradoxes. So he plans very carefully, picking a time when he remembered he was away. Knowing the Ways, he could enter into his basement from the NN directly, do what he needed to do, and tell Bob to forget he was here.
4) If we assume that alternte Bobs are created when Bob is ordered to 'forget' things, then perhaps Harry takes a bob 'fragment' when he goes to the bad-guy rally point to mess things up. He leaves the fragment there, for his 'former/future" self to find back in step 2.
Instead of Harry fighting against the time-travel idea, he competently plans and uses it to his advantage.
robertltux:
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 16, 2012, 11:13:52 PM ---Yes, but part of Bob's nature is to obey. Otherwise he'd leave the skull to go check out strip bars all the time, instead of making deals with Harry to do so.
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I think the Cowl-Bob can be explained by the concept of a Controller
while Bob was in Cowls hands Cowl was his "Controller" (so we have Necro-Bob)
but when Cowl got stupid and put Bob down Bob reverted to "default" (which would be HARRY).
Im sure this is similar to the way Bob and Butters are working right now.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 16, 2012, 09:47:05 PM ---The way that Bob explained it to Harry read to me as though at first he just planned to never access those memories again. And what happens almost immediately afterwards? Cowl comes along and, once he has his hands on the skull, orders Bob to release the memories again. Bob, despite promising to never release those memories again, has to do so anyways.
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If this is the case, though, and Bob knows it, why on earth would he specifically thank Harry for ordering him to lose the memories forever ? [ DB end of chapter 3 ] In your model, it makes no difference for how Bob interacts with potential future holders that Harry does so. In mine, that's the point at which he cuts off evil necroBob, and we don't have to come up with some explanation for how at a later point he managed to do so without specific instructions despite having no free will.
--- Quote ---As for the wink, I always thought that yes, whosoever has his hands on the skull is the owner, but while the skull is both on the ground and by an old owner, he can pick which one to listen to. Though, that does smack of free will, which Bob doesn't have...
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Exactly.
--- Quote ---but if he had cut those memories out of himself by that point, he wouldn't have had the knowledge of the Darkhollow to tell Cowl.
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Which would be where I note that Grevane actually worked the Darkhallow, and all Cowl does is stand at the focal point at the very end. Though I think it is entirely possible that Bob could plausibly fake enough Darkhallow lore to keep Cowl satisfied off the top of his head.
--- Quote ---Did we ever get a solid reason as to how Cowl knew Harry had Bob?
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Either following Harry around through DB or having been in Bianca's place in GP while Bob was warning people off Harry's stuff work for me.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: KevinSig on September 16, 2012, 11:03:25 PM --- In this quote, Bob himself states that he had to work for Cowl
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No, he doesn't. He, quite unusually for Bob, implies it and leaves Harry to make the inference.
--- Quote ---I don't believe just talking to Bob, without having the prior order in place, would have been enough for Bob to reassert control. Otherwise, Bob would be showing something like Free Will in choosing which master he preferred.
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Agreed entirely; I do not believe Bob is ever at any point in DB not connected to Harry.
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