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The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Sheaman3773 on September 16, 2012, 11:13:52 PM ---Yes, but part of Bob's nature is to obey. Otherwise he'd leave the skull to go check out strip bars all the time, instead of making deals with Harry to do so.
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I suspect Bob's libido is a lot more Harry's influence than Harry thinks; Bob with Butters appears to have a less obsessive focus by far.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 17, 2012, 02:27:47 PM ---I suspect Bob's libido is a lot more Harry's influence than Harry thinks; Bob with Butters appears to have a less obsessive focus by far.
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Don't we have WoJ that it really is just Harry's influence?
KevinSig:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on September 17, 2012, 02:29:37 PM ---Don't we have WoJ that it really is just Harry's influence?
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Are you thinking of the paraphrased WOJ, which states that Bob's personality is shaped by 16 year old Harry?
However, in the books, Bob states that he was going after female sheperders & the like, long before Harry was born. And I think there's a WOJ that implies the same.
So either Bob has had a few masters who've had similar pervy thoughts, or something of Bob's real nature is that of a pervert. I mean, Bob isn't a 100% copy of Harry, so we have to assume some of the personality is actually Bob peaking through.
I do wonder if we will ever meet Bob, sans a master & see what his personality really is like.
lovejoy69:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on September 17, 2012, 02:29:37 PM ---Don't we have WoJ that it really is just Harry's influence?
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Bob is, well, more like a paint in a paint store. That is, there is a basic hue (which color it is), but its specific color will change depending on whether another hue or more white or more black gets mixed in. From that standpoint, Kemmler-Bob was colder, more inhuman, more power-hungry. Justin-Bob was probably along those same lines but quite likely was less intensively so. Harry-Bob was a bigger change; snarky wit, and his sex dial turned up to nine-plus or ten like a sixteen-year-old boy's often is. Less rote obedience, and more boldness bravely asking for / bargaining for freedoms and perks.
Butters values pure knowledge and reason more than Harry does, is an adult man instead of a teen, and is brave but in quite a different way than is Harry. Bob will still have a core spirit of Bob-ness, but it's in his nature to have become significantly different now with Butters than he was with Dresden.
Sheaman3773:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 17, 2012, 02:24:19 PM ---If this is the case, though, and Bob knows it, why on earth would he specifically thank Harry for ordering him to lose the memories forever ? [ DB end of chapter 3 ]
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How about because (when he's the Bob we all know and love) he hates being like that, so he was glad that Harry wouldn't be asking him to keep flipping back and forth in order to plumb that side of him for knowledge?
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 17, 2012, 02:24:19 PM ---In your model, it makes no difference for how Bob interacts with potential future holders that Harry does so. In mine, that's the point at which he cuts off evil necroBob, and we don't have to come up with some explanation for how at a later point he managed to do so without specific instructions despite having no free will.
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I'm not sure that that's completely true. To me, it seems like an order, once given to Bob, is permanent, with the exception that future orders can counter previous ones. So if he was so ordered, then it would take an order from a future master to overrule it, potentially giving Bob a much longer period of time before the memories arise again.
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 17, 2012, 02:24:19 PM ---Exactly.
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The difference between Free Will and just Will seem somewhat ambiguous, though. We know that Bob does have Will, just not Free Will. So with the understanding that whomever holds the skull controls Bob, once the skull is put down, who's to say that Bob cannot use Will to pick between two equally valid owners? Cowl did hold him last, but Harry was closer and actively seeking to reconnect their bond.
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 17, 2012, 02:24:19 PM ---Which would be where I note that Grevane actually worked the Darkhallow, and all Cowl does is stand at the focal point at the very end. Though I think it is entirely possible that Bob could plausibly fake enough Darkhallow lore to keep Cowl satisfied off the top of his head.
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How could he fake any of it? If he cut off all of his relevant memories, then he wouldn't have anything with which to fake. More to the point, why would he even want to fake it, given that that would be disobeying his master, the one who was holding his skull?
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 17, 2012, 02:24:19 PM ---Either following Harry around through DB or having been in Bianca's place in GP while Bob was warning people off Harry's stuff work for me.
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What was your theory for why he didn't just take Bob right then?
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