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WOJ: Hexenwufl solved
Cenphx:
The Erlking as the source of the hexenwulf belts doesn't feel right to me for the same reasons some of you already noted: he may be a predator and a hunter, but not evil or a perversion of nature, which the belts seem to be.
Also, I've always had the passing out of these belts linked in my head with the seatbelts used to make people who used them fall in love. (from a short story. Maybe Love Hurts?) Two different belts which are magic which cause addictions in the people who touch the magical item? It seems like too similar a tactic to be a coincidence. The love seatbelts were made by a red court vamp to make people fall in love so there would be less food for WCVs. IIRC there was also a hint that the RCV who made the seatbelts was taught by someone else the magic she needed to pull it off. I thought at the time it was a black court vamp, even Mavra, who taught the RCV the magic. Therefore, I thought maybe Mavra was one who made the hexenwulf belts.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote ---Vitto turned on his own people. The Malvoras and Skavis all died, and all the Raiths would have died. The only White Court vampire to survive would have been Vitto, and any lesser vamps who didn't attend. The White Court would have been basically extinct. Nowhere did Cowl or Vitto imply the goal of the operation was to consolidate power under Vitto, and it wouldn't have made very much sense. If that's what they wanted, they should have not involved Dresden and Cowl should have killed the Skavis.
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No, that was just the top ranked nobles, the bulk of the White Court would have been just fine.
--- Quote ---He says he has seen them in action before, and that when it comes down to it, he's the smart one who actually gets things done. That's not the same thing as speaking and working with them.
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Doesn't he say something about talking and working with them after breaking the EK's circle?
Gman:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on April 30, 2012, 01:03:01 AM ---No, that was just the top ranked nobles, the bulk of the White Court would have been just fine.
Doesn't he say something about talking and working with them after breaking the EK's circle?
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I agree. What Cowl did fits in with what I think is the BC mission. Take over or place traitors in the major powers. Cause the major powers to fight and weaken each other. Help those powers with your men or catspaws in charge (at least for a time). Cowl was to place his man in charge of the White Court and kill all major White Court members who could oppose Vittorio. He would take out the White Council's leadership and plunge them into chaos either destroying/crippling them or placing someone working for Cowl in charge.
peregrine:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on April 29, 2012, 08:12:39 PM ---I think he knew that the power gained from that ritual is not enough to 'stop death' anr remake the world into a paradise. Kumori was young and innocent, and bought that nwhole line hook and sinker.
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I think that Cowl is at least genuine in his goals, though I agree that the Darkhallow would probably not give him enough power, but you can't live in just a foundation of a house, the Darkhallow would give him more of an ability to gain the power he would actually need to do that.
gborbonus:
I think the best Fit for who did this was the WK(perhaps Lara's influence).
But... I offer this up for debate... Did we SEE lara take over the WK?
For all we know, the WK might be pulling one over all of us.
I believe Thomas says: you must embrace the role.
WC vamps blend in very easily, and are smart. The WK didn't become the WK because he made mistakes that were costly as the one he made with Harry and Thomas.
Truth is, I don't particularly see any solid proof that the WK is under Lara's control. She could be under his control.
Any evidence to the contrary can be construed as evidence that the WK is more capable than we expect.
As for Cowl and Peabody,
Cowl could be working with the BC, it fits, but also having the BC make elaborate plans to make him appear one way or the other also fits...
These discussions are always hard, because if we make assumptions/conclusions based on faulty information, or lack thereof, we could be wrong, or draw the wrong conclusions for the right reasons. In the end, I could argue every single point. In a court of law, we call this circumstantial evidence, that lacks the necessary solidity of fact.
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