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Serack:
I had to step away while writing this response and 3 others were posted in the mean time... I'll read those responses after posting this.


--- Quote from: wyltok on March 14, 2012, 01:46:04 PM ---Keep in mind, the whispers in Harry's mind didn't actually stop due to the empowered steel circle around the coin. Lasciel's shadow was already firmly implanted in his noggin, and just decided to play along with his expectations. She also made it clear more than once that the circle would not block Harry from summoning the coin, either.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

The way you write this, the prison did nothing except motivate the Shadow to change tatics and pretend it was working.  IMO, until Harry built the prison, Lasciel had an active link to her shadow in Harry, and once he built the prison, the link was sort of severed, and the Shadow was severly hampered in it's options of how to influence Harry.

If nothing else, prison actually served as is a concrete choice to reject Lasciel's influence, thus forcing her shadow to utalize much more subtle methods to gain influence over him.  But I am going to hold to the idea that making this prison severly limited Lasciel's shadow's influence over him.

Jim actually wrote the Lasciel story line into DM as a last minute whim.  He probably didn't work out exactly what the mechanics of the prison and shadow were until after the fact.


--- Quote from: WoJ ---What twist has the series taken that even surprised you? I am constantly surprised by the twists and turns.
The whole Lasciel’s coin plot was something I instigated on the spur of the moment back in book 5, and which isn’t over yet. Lots of things happen that aren’t specifically spelled out, but which can be woven into the overstory plot that I’ve been pursuing. I expect new stuff will continue seeping out of my subconscious and prove to fit pretty smoothly into the outline. 
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Paladino:

--- Quote from: wyltok on March 14, 2012, 02:45:09 PM ---Lash stopped whispering (well, playing Rock & Roll) as soon as he empowered the circle at the end of Death Masks. She didn't need to stop; it's not like she was inside the circle, after all. If you don't think that was Lash playing along, what exactly do you think happened?

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Actually I think he stopped Lasciel direct whispering and conection to her shadow. Lash mention in DB she couldn't contact him before he used hellfire on purpose. So warding the coin did have some kind of effect.

khatre:
I have seen the opinion expressed that the circle Never stopped Lasciel from contacting her shadow or Harry. Some people believe that the circle had never done anything and was essentially a waste of time.
I disagree with that opinion.  ;)
I think it worked as intended and isolated Lasciel until Lash "died" and freed Harry from the link.

knnn:

--- Quote from: Serack on March 14, 2012, 12:44:00 PM ---I remember there being something somewhere about a threshold helping maintain a ward's power, but I'm not sure if that could be within the canon, since I can't find it in my WoJ compilation.  Here's the best WoJ I have on the subject.

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In Turn Coat, the "Faraday Cage" Harry built has wards that will only last once.  His excuse "There's only so much I can do without a threshold".

Ms Duck:
I am of the big opinion that the circle was a waste of time. For the following reasons: lash and harry both said in later books that the instant he touched the coin, lash entered him. Two, if the fallen could direclty contact the host prior to being chosen, why need a shadow at all? Its superflous. Three, in DB lash admits she tricked harry- and harry said she knows how to trick a wizard. Four- it fits the plot; pretending to be trapped is how she set up the shiela scheme. Five- how could lasciel know the song? Six- harry changed the circle several times, and lasciel didnt move back in. Seven- the fallen are so powerfull thier limits are laregly only the inate ones. If a spell circle could hold them, they would have been taken out long ago.

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