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A Fallen scorned (GS spoilers)
PirateJack:
No offence, but not accepting canon because you don't like it doesn't make it any less a part of canon. Jim has stated that both Lasciel and Lash showed up in Ghost Story, which if we use deductive reasoning leaves only the Shadow and the Parasite as possible candidates for their appearance. Lash is obviously the parasite because she's stated as using Harry's soul as a battery during White Night (plus, Lasciel is an independent entity, no parasitism there). Lasciel therefore must have been the Shadow who whispered into Harry's ear.
That's about as much confirmation as you can get without it being directly stated that Lasciel was the Shadow.
KevinSig:
--- Quote from: PirateJack on December 08, 2011, 02:11:45 AM ---No offence, but not accepting canon because you don't like it doesn't make it any less a part of canon.
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I've read at least one or two direct quotes from Jim that makes it seem, like he has some issues keeping the two straight. (Understandable, since the name Lash was used for less than a half of a book.) Other than that, all I've heard is second hand stuff that attributes things to Jim, but aren't anything like a direct quote.
In the WOJ compilation it only states that Lash was in Ghost Story, not Lashiel.
--- Quote ---Is Lash coming back?
Lash actually appeared in Ghost Story, although not under that name.
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So, from what I've seen, what you accept as cannon is at best a fishy sounding rumor to me. And does not absolutely state that that the entity is Lashiel in any case.
People have only told me that Jim supposedly said that he stated both Lash & Lashiel are in GS, but the only thing I've seen is the Lash comment. Until, I see something concrete, I stick to my own read of the scene. Placing Lashiel there seems forced.
I grant I might be wrong, but I also know that people jump to conclusions. That might be the case here.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote ---So, from what I've seen, what you accept as cannon is at best a fishy sounding rumor to me. And does not absolutely state that that the entity is Lashiel in any case.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlMVQrrmgnw&feature=autoplay&list=PL29F6E08FB4FB0E75&playnext=1
Its about a minute in, both Lash and Lasciel were in Ghost Story but not under those names.
Paladino:
Beside, while Jack say it was kind of a fallen angel, Uriel confirms it was a fallen angel. One could say that Lucifer is a fallen angel, but one also could say that is actually a fallen Archangel, what would remove him of the pool of candidates for the whispering shadow...
After a lot of discussing, re-reading, interpreting woj, I'll keep with the theorie of Lasciel = Whispering shadow and Lash the parasite. And that the headaches he had in TC was the damaged part of his brain healing up. And that it has finished healing by the end of GS, but not by Mab in changes, since he asked to restore his body to health, and that can be interpreted in a thousand ways..
Edit: Also aganst Lash being the shadow there is Uriel word that the shadow was an angel a long time ago, While lash has never been an angel, but a construc made by Lasciel..
KevinSig:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on December 08, 2011, 03:25:53 AM ---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlMVQrrmgnw&feature=autoplay&list=PL29F6E08FB4FB0E75&playnext=1
Its about a minute in, both Lash and Lasciel were in Ghost Story but not under those names.
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That is more definitive. Prior to now, the occasion was described to me in terms that were less concrete. As such, Lashiel being the whisperer makes more sense.
I concede the point, but hope the reason why Lashiel was there at that exact moment, could be fleshed out.
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