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[Spolers Through GS] Maggie LeFay and the Outsiders
Mira:
--- Quote ---Or, an alternate way of looking at is they were both giving accounts from different points in Margaret's life. If Eb's account is true then both likely were. Or Eb may have known quite a bit more about her towards the end what with being her father and the blackstaff both. Or Luccio may have been giving her the benefit of the doubt seeing as there hadn't been a hearing yet while Eb wasn't. Or it may have been the old "multiple eye-witnesses with no two accounts matching" syndrome.
Too many or's to say for sure at this point I think.
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Yes, Margaret most likely did some bad things, or were they all that bad? Yes, she rebelled against Eb, and she rebelled against the White Council, she ran with a rough crowd, most likely the Black Council for a while, ran with Justin, took up with Lord Raith and had a child by him. No doubt she was punching her ticket to hell, old Chez confirms that, but she wasn't past redemption, that is the important part. That is the part we never hear about, I think it was more than just falling in love with Malcolm Dresden, a lot has to do with the conception of Harry, the why of it, that last part is still very very vague. I think the key to the whole series is Margaret's redemption and why she conceived Harry//
vultur:
--- Quote from: LordDresden on August 29, 2011, 06:08:20 PM ---If Margaret was breaking the Laws of Magic on any regular basis, there would be consequences to her soul. It can take various forms, from the Korean kid to Kemmler to Justin or Victor Sells. But a misguided idealist who starts regularly breaking the Laws won't stay a misguided idealist. She'll turn into one or another sort of monster.
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So Kumori isn't "regularly breaking the Laws"? She strikes me as very "misguided idealist".
I think black-magic corruption has got to be way more complex than we've seen, or than Harry knows, both because of the Kumori bit* and because the way Cowl and, apparently, Kemmler are evil is very different from Sells or the Korean kid in PG or what's hinted about Bad-Future-Molly. Cowl is still in full possession of his mental resources, and not *pointlessly* cruel; Kemmler was capable of carrying out super-long-term plans and genius-level magical research - neither seem to have been suffering from the "addicted/enslaved" or even animalistic stuff we see from "classical" black-magic corruption.
*Granted, we don't know how long she's been doing it, but she's been working with Cowl for at least years by DB [they're together in GP], and Cowl is likely not the type to take a totally green unknown under his wing...
Mira:
I think that is why the White Council routinely chops off the heads of all young warlocks with Harry and Molly being the few exceptions. It isn't just because so few full wizards have the guts to step up and take the responsibility and the possible punishment with them, but the belief that black magic is habit forming addictive magic, it corrupts completely and cannot be rehabbed. So the White Council believes it is only the kindest thing, but the safest thing to do is to lop off the head before more people get hurt.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: svb1972 on August 29, 2011, 11:54:55 PM ---Maggie Sr's Minimum age is 162 years old, when Harry was born.
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How does this datum fit with Luccio's observations in WN on the return of fertility being a major change for her once she got Alicia Nelson's body ? Are we counting those as entirely part of her being enthralled ?
Mira:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 02, 2011, 03:42:09 PM ---How does this datum fit with Luccio's observations in WN on the return of fertility being a major change for her once she got Alicia Nelson's body ? Are we counting those as entirely part of her being enthralled ?
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It doesn't, Luccio did give the impression that a wizard woman's fertile years were the same as that for a vanilla female. However if that is true, and Margaret was between 25 and 45 when she had both Thomas and Harry, it says that wizard men have libido and stay fertile for a very long time, because that says Eb had to be well over 200 closer to maybe 250 when Margaret was born. It also blows out of the water that Eb met his vanilla mortal wife during the French and Indian War and married her.
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