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[Spolers Through GS] Maggie LeFay and the Outsiders
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 30, 2011, 04:55:57 AM ---Yes, Margaret most likely did some bad things, or were they all that bad?
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Does Eb not say she broke Laws including the First ? Killing people with magic seems pretty bad to me.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: vultur on September 02, 2011, 03:29:01 AM ---So Kumori isn't "regularly breaking the Laws"? She strikes me as very "misguided idealist".
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I see no evidence that Kumori has actually misused wizard-magic in the ways that corrupt. Or indeed that Cowl has; I would suspect Harry could have sensed it from the touch of their magic if they had.
--- Quote ---*Granted, we don't know how long she's been doing it, but she's been working with Cowl for at least years by DB [they're together in GP]
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is that confirmed in the text ? I cannot recall, at the moment.
Mira:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 02, 2011, 06:01:37 PM ---Does Eb not say she broke Laws including the First ? Killing people with magic seems pretty bad to me.
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As we've seen with Harry, some "breakings" can be gray areas. Truth to be told, we only have one side of the story on Margaret LeFay.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I see no evidence that Kumori has actually misused wizard-magic in the ways that corrupt. Or indeed that Cowl has; I would suspect Harry could have sensed it from the touch of their magic if they had.
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There was a greasy taste in the air around them which Harry associates with black magic, ether that or the Chicago air was bad that night.
AcornArmy:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 02, 2011, 06:01:37 PM ---Does Eb not say she broke Laws including the First ? Killing people with magic seems pretty bad to me.
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Eb was explaining why the Council, and he himself, were after Maggie. Her reasons for killing someone with magic were never discussed, and from the apparent timeline of everything else, the First Law breakage must have occurred after she took up with Lord Raith, and probably after she got involved with Outsiders. Maggie may not have been entirely under her own control when she killed someone. Or the situation may not have been simple or easy to define as good or evil, like when Harry killed Justin.
Myself, I'd rather withhold judgement until we find out what happened and why.
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 02, 2011, 06:03:18 PM ---I see no evidence that Kumori has actually misused wizard-magic in the ways that corrupt. Or indeed that Cowl has; I would suspect Harry could have sensed it from the touch of their magic if they had.
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Harry does sense a residue of dark magic when Cowl blasts him with force outside of Bock's bookstore. He also mentions, though, that there's some residue of dark magic on his own magic, as well. As far as I can remember, Harry never specifically mentions sensing anything dark about Kumori's magic-- aside from the fact that she used necromancy to save Random Guy's life. But the necromancy she used did not have the feel of black magic to it, which is what clued Harry in that it was even possible to perform necromancy without it being black magic.
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on September 02, 2011, 06:03:18 PM ---is that confirmed in the text ? I cannot recall, at the moment.
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It is. Cowl and Kumori confirm it themselves, or seem to, when they talk to Harry outside the bookstore.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2011, 05:56:21 PM ---It doesn't, Luccio did give the impression that a wizard woman's fertile years were the same as that for a vanilla female. However if that is true, and Margaret was between 25 and 45 when she had both Thomas and Harry, it says that wizard men have libido and stay fertile for a very long time, because that says Eb had to be well over 200 closer to maybe 250 when Margaret was born. It also blows out of the water that Eb met his vanilla mortal wife during the French and Indian War and married her.
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We have WoJ on when Eb met Maggie LeFay's mother, so it's not wrong. I suspect that what's wrong is taking Luccio's comments and extrapolating them into a broad guess about all female wizards. I'm just guessing, but I suspect a woman's fertility may greatly depend upon the woman in question. A recent WoJ:
--- Quote from: dagaetch on August 08, 2011, 06:41:24 PM ---I’ve been wondering, is a magic-users longevity/ability to repair themselves due to their use of magic, or is it because they are able to access magic at all?
It’s because they /use/ magic.
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And is the longevity tied to strength levels, as in do stronger wizards live longer?
Indeed. In the Dresden Files universe, magic is the essence of creation itself. Constant exposure to it through use changes the person who uses it in a number of ways, not all of them as obvious as physical recovery and longevity. The more exposure, the more dramatic the changes.
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So, it may be that a woman who uses a great deal of magic on a fairly regular basis can retain her fertility for quite some time. The more magic she uses, the more the "essence of creation" affects her. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to me that one of the effects could be a longer period in which she could create life herself.
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