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[Spolers Through GS] Maggie LeFay and the Outsiders
svb1972:
What's the chances that Ebenezar killed MaggieSr?
Cozarkian:
Luccio seems to be talking about only a part of Maggie Sr.'s life, the part when Luccio knew her. The stories seem completely compatible.
Maggie Sr. started out as an idealist, who was resistant to the White Council and pushy for change (This is the only part of Maggie's life that Luccio is talking about -- pre-renegade/Warlock). When Maggie realized she couldn't change the White Council directly, she probably started looking for allies elsewhere, establishing or joining some kind of Grey Council. Her efforts took her farther down the wrong-path, and the Grey Council turned Black. At some point, Maggie met Malcolm, realized she was becoming or had become a monster, and started trying to make amends. These latter events are the parts of Maggie's life discussed by others.
I don't think Luccio had any reason in the context of that particular conversation to mention "Oh by the way, after your Mom discovered she couldn't change the WC, she went psycho and we had to put a death sentence on her." In fact, I think it would have been rather insulting to Harry, because it would have been suggesting he was headed down the same path.
LordDresden:
--- Quote from: svb1972 on August 29, 2011, 04:00:51 PM ---Is it possible that Maggie used her death curse to kill herself at Harry's birth? That she wanted Harry to group up a specific way? She wanted Malcom to raise him and instill certain values in him, and she felt that her being around and alive just wasn't a viable way to do that?
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We already know that she used her death curse to take away Lord Raith's power to feed, and I'm pretty sure it's established that Lord Raith used his sorceresses to kill Margaret with an entropy curse.
svb1972:
--- Quote from: LordDresden on August 29, 2011, 06:23:20 PM ---We already know that she used her death curse to take away Lord Raith's power to feed, and I'm pretty sure it's established that Lord Raith used his sorceresses to kill Margaret with an entropy curse.
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Not possible. His sorceresses would have been between the ages of 2 and 14 at the time of Maggie's Death. Seems to me incredibly unlikely that they were responsible for her death.
If you're implying he had other sorceresses before. That's possible, but we have nothing but conjecture on that.
LordDresden:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on August 29, 2011, 06:23:07 PM ---Luccio seems to be talking about only a part of Maggie Sr.'s life, the part when Luccio knew her. The stories seem completely compatible.
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No, they aren't.
Luccio makes a reference to the time when Margaret disappeared for 5 years, presumably that was the period when she was with Raith, or at least that's what Luccio says to Harry. According to Ebenezar, the hunt for Margaret by the Wardens was during and after that period, and that is precisely what Luccio doesn't mention. Luccio acts upset by Margaret's selfishness with regard to Thomas, but totally ignores her warlock-dom. Which is...kind of freakin' odd for the Captain of the Wardens.
When Harry asks her what the problem with Margaret was, he gets some stuff about her misguided idealism. Nothing about her being a magical killer. Nothing about her being a warlock who broke multiple Laws of Magic. Nothing about her using the Laws themselves against the Council.
As leader of the Wardens, these are the things that would be primary for Luccio...yet she acts as if they never happened.
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Maggie Sr. started out as an idealist, who was resistant to the White Council and pushy for change (This is the only part of Maggie's life that Luccio is talking about -- pre-renegade/Warlock). When Maggie realized she couldn't change the White Council directly, she probably started looking for allies elsewhere, establishing or joining some kind of Grey Council. Her efforts took her farther down the wrong-path, and the Grey Council turned Black. At some point, Maggie met Malcolm, realized she was becoming or had become a monster, and started trying to make amends. These latter events are the parts of Maggie's life discussed by others.
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Doesn't work. She has to realize she was on the wrong track, or at least fall out with her allies, before she meets Malcolm. And there isn't much time for 'making amends', either. In order to have had time to do the dark things the others refer to, she has to have been on that road for a long time.
I agree that she could easily have started out as a misguided idealist, but that stage can't have been long, not unless somebody's account is totally, completely wrong.
And no, it doesn't make sense for Luccio not to mention Margaret's rap sheet to Harry, because he would almost have to know something about it already. Further, it's weird that Harry doesn't wonder about the discrepencies between everything else he's heard and Luccio's version, even in his own private thoughts.
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