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the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:

--- Quote from: Jared on August 04, 2011, 08:17:57 PM ---Where are you getting their moral terms from?

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At risk of crossing threads, the Ten Commandments, particularly in this case the one about not bearing false witness.

Jared:

--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on August 04, 2011, 08:40:43 PM ---At risk of crossing threads, the Ten Commandments, particularly in this case the one about not bearing false witness.
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I think the point of disagreement here is your take on lies of omission. I disagree with that stance.

I don't think there's much to be done beyond agree to disagree here.

Serack:
By the way, Jim said in the past week (I think it was at the NYC signing) that Uriel can't lie.  Well he can't unless he really changes his affiliations.

Vairelome:
Bob mentions Archangels as being on the list of entities with full Intellectus.  If you combine that with the WoJ above, that Uriel can't lie (I'd more or less assumed that was true), you've got a difficult character to write--one whose every statement MUST accurately reflect the Dresdenverse as it actually is.

Note that Uriel's dismay over Jack's "three people Harry loves" lie is not a counter-example, due to the distinction between Intellectus and true omniscience.  Uriel had not previously considered that Jack might have lied to Harry, so he didn't know it had happened.  Intellectus requires that a question be brought to the mind of the entity in order for the answer to arrive with it.  True omniscience wouldn't require that (in theory, since it hasn't come up yet in the Dresdenverse).

I don't think it's possible for Uriel to make a statement literally without thinking about it first.  This would mean that Uriel knows with certainty the truth value of his every statement (Intellectus), and that the truth value is always positive (he can't lie).

Hopefire:
I remain of the opinion that the White God is a different type of being than the other gods of the Dresdenverse. My theory is that the other gods are either a) similar in nature to gods in Neil Gaiman stories (they exist because humanity believes in them), or b) they're massively powerful beings that people are worshiping for one reason or another (the Red Court's leaders would be examples of this). I think that the White God is technically an Outsider, and the Dresdenverse is his realm.

I think that it says something that the White God has at least four - and perhaps once five - Archangels following him who seem to be more powerful than even heavy hitters like Mab.

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