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The truth about Fitz
FFguy:
thank you for the answers Serack.
I am re-listening to the audio book now that I can focus on the finer details and not wanting to just get to the end :) . Very good catch. I have been waiting for Butcher to bring Tara back into the story. She was too cool of a character to leave out in the long run.
Jared:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on August 04, 2011, 05:29:22 PM ---My point is that, from my admittedly limited discussions with some of those people, contemporary Asatru do not have it as a core component of their faith that other gods are false, while other gods being a priori false is a regular component of at least such bits of contemporary Christianity as i am familiar with. (I had a Catholic schooling.)
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I understood, I was just pointing out to the other person that they were incorrect about today's RL lore not having Odin around. As another note to that, for the DV, it doesn't matter whether the lore is believed today, but whether it had been believed at all. I think Harry and/or told us that the old gods that no one believes go into the NN and dwindle. So Enki's probably running around in there. [If there are people that still hold to Sumerian beliefs today, just replace Enki with some placeholder deity that no one worships anymore.]
I do think, however, that if fae really truly can not lie (not sure if you've expressed doubt about that before), but let people believe things that are untrue, then it's not really consistent to say that the WG lets modern Christians believe that he's the only god, so he's lying.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Jared on August 04, 2011, 05:42:55 PM ---I think Harry and/or told us that the old gods that no one believes go into the NN and dwindle. So Enki's probably running around in there. [If there are people that still hold to Sumerian beliefs today, just replace Enki with some placeholder deity that no one worships anymore.]
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Harry's told us that the old gods are in the NN and mostly dormant, in PG. I think there's room for a serious grain of salt in how much that depends on human belief; partly because we have seen since that Odin for one is pretty active and I'm not seeing reason to suspect the DV having a large contingent of Asatru running around, partly because I'm not finding it easy to believe that if human faith is the principal power source for DV deities that the Hindu gods would not be active, but Harry lists them among the ones in the NN/dormant state, and partly because the minor Classical deity in the poisoned-beer story in Side Jobs seems to think the older gods were actively kicked out.
I suspect that there may have been some single major event or spell or something that sent those other gods out into the NN and keeps them there. I am tempted to suspect that of correlation with the coming of the Swords and the Denarians into the world.
--- Quote ---I do think, however, that if fae really truly can not lie (not sure if you've expressed doubt about that before), but let people believe things that are untrue, then it's not really consistent to say that the WG lets modern Christians believe that he's the only god, so he's lying.
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The difference there, fwiw, is that the Fae are not espousing a morality in which bearing false witness in all its forms is a bad thing. The Fae are not doing something that is on their own moral terms wrong; the WG would seem to be.
Arkham8:
New thoughts. Must revise theory....child of Hendricks....
and (click to show/hide)Marcone. By cloning. Kind of like that one Super-boy is the child of Lex and Super-man ::)
Jared:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on August 04, 2011, 05:54:39 PM ---The difference there, fwiw, is that the Fae are not espousing a morality in which bearing false witness in all its forms is a bad thing. The Fae are not doing something that is on their own moral terms wrong; the WG would seem to be.
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Where are you getting their moral terms from? Everything that I've seen Uriel say says that the WG doesn't enforce actions, people must have their own free will to choose for themselves. If the WG puts out the Bible that says "There are other gods, I'm just the best." and Christians choose to ignore those passages, how is that immoral by the WG morals that have been stated in the books?
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