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The truth about Fitz
Serack:
--- Quote from: Vairelome on August 05, 2011, 01:43:06 AM ---Bob mentions Archangels as being on the list of entities with full Intellectus. If you combine that with the WoJ above, that Uriel can't lie (I'd more or less assumed that was true), you've got a difficult character to write--one whose every statement MUST accurately reflect the Dresdenverse as it actually is.
Note that Uriel's dismay over Jack's "three people Harry loves" lie is not a counter-example, due to the distinction between Intellectus and true omniscience. Uriel had not previously considered that Jack might have lied to Harry, so he didn't know it had happened. Intellectus requires that a question be brought to the mind of the entity in order for the answer to arrive with it. True omniscience wouldn't require that (in theory, since it hasn't come up yet in the Dresdenverse).
I don't think it's possible for Uriel to make a statement literally without thinking about it first. This would mean that Uriel knows with certainty the truth value of his every statement (Intellectus), and that the truth value is always positive (he can't lie).
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This does a very good job of articulating my opinions on the matter. Thanks
Fyrchick:
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Perhaps a new thread is in order since the whole WG/Uriel/lying issue is not really on topic?
So I was intrigued by the idea of a child of Tera and MacFinn. I found (or didn't find) 3 things that I had questions about.
The first is a description of MacFinn. I couldn't find anything that mentions red hair. I did a quick search of the text but didn't find anything. Does someone have more patience to find this?
The second is about Tera giving up a child. This may or may not refer to a son, but it sort of answers a question about Tera's motivations.
"Who are you?" I asked her finally.
"One who has lost too many of her family already," she said.
(Fool Moon Ch.26)
The last thing is the mechanics of the curse. According to Chauncy, the curse had 2 components. It was hereditary, passing to someone new "each and every generation" AND that the cursed line of the family would "never, ever die out lasting until the end of days."
Is is a congenital curse or a traveling one? Meaning, is the next curse-ee "chosen" at birth or does it travel when the current curse-ee dies? Did MacFinn have any siblings or other family?
Vairelome:
Ah, yes, back on topic.
For reference, here's Harry's description of MacFinn (Fool Moon, Ch. 15):
--- Quote ---I studied the man a little more closely. He was big. He was really big, at least as tall as me and twice as broad. He was dressed only in a pair of cutoff blue jeans, and those looked like they were ill fit. He was in a condition best described as "overwhelmingly masculine," hairy-chested and muscled like a professional wrestler. There was grey in his hair and beard, and there were lines on his face, putting his age at well into maturity. It was his eyes that showed me the most about him. They burned green, wild and haunted, fastened on the distant sky now, but heavy with the weight of too much terrible knowledge. It couldn't have been easy to live with a curse like his.
--- End quote ---
As far as hair color goes, all it says is "grey in his hair and beard." From the phrasing, I'd say some base color streaked or speckled with grey, rather than full grey. Logically, he's not likely to be blond, since Harry wouldn't likely notice a contrast between grey and blond at night in the woods, even with a full moon. Red is a possibility, but not indicated either way.
I checked the pelt coloration of the loup-garou, later in the book (Fool Moon, Ch. 17):
--- Quote ---Its pelt was shaggy, jet-black and matte, except where fresh blood was making it glisten.
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You might take from that quote that MacFinn's base hair color was black, though the fact that the loup-garou's pelt was not streaked with grey leaves the question open enough to be debatable, in my opinion.
As far as the curse mechanics go, my guess would be that the curse travels when the current curse-ee dies, but lies dormant if the new recipient is not above a certain age. I don't really have textual evidence to back that up, beyond MacFinn's Vietnam experience (which, now that I look it up, is more ambivalent on a point than I'd thought). From Fool Moon, Ch. 15 (emphasis mine):
--- Quote ---He nodded. "It's how I came back from 'Nam. Everyone else in my platoon died but me. I knew the full moon was coming. And I knew that I hated them, hated the soldiers who had killed my friends. When I changed, I started killing until there wasn't anyone left alive within maybe two miles."
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I thought I'd read the assumption that MacFinn's change in Vietnam was his first change. Based on the text, I'm not sure. The sentence I put in bold seems to state flat-out that MacFinn at least knew the change was coming, whether or not it was the first, which is a difficult point. If MacFinn had any idea what the curse would do to him, I think joining the military was a ludicrously poor decision. Basic training lasts longer than a month, I believe--it's not like you can guarantee your own schedule to have monthly 3-day vacations like clockwork.
If the MacFinn/Tera West theory is true, I seriously hope one of the good guys figures it out before the poor kid's first change.
Bones:
If MacFinn is Celtic it's highly likely he has some redhead in his genetics. It doesn't matter what his hair color is, his son could easily be a redhead. My husband has red hair and neither of his parents do.
Fyrchick:
--- Quote from: Bones on August 05, 2011, 04:00:19 AM ---If MacFinn is Celtic it's highly likely he has some redhead in his genetics. It doesn't matter what his hair color is, his son could easily be a redhead. My husband has red hair and neither of his parents do.
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True. But its seems when Jim takes time to be as specific about a description it's always worth taking into consideration. In this case I think it's a deliberate clue or deliberate red herring (so to speak.) If we take genetics into account just about anyone could be the father. There is red hair in Mongolia and Italy... it's an easier stretch with MacFinn being Irish and all that, but I think we need to look for possibilities in the characters already presented with red hair.
Perhaps Murphy had a kid she didn't tell anyone about (nose) or Agent Harris fathered a kid someplace.
I've been trying to remember who else has red hair. (Other than Agent Harris in Fool Moon.) What about his skin color? Anyone else described that way?
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