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Who told Monica Sells? (Wild speculation and possible series spoilers)
Alablast:
--- Quote from: Electric MacButters on June 28, 2011, 09:48:53 PM ---
In Changes, (click to show/hide)Odin states that Victor's spell is the same as the Red Courts, just smaller.
Putting this together, we have Victor Sells, a potental mage who works for a possible White Court shell company and was taught (click to show/hide)a Red Court killing ritual normally reserved for only their most massive attacks. I think that Victor was actually a White Court cats paw meant to draw Harry into play on a greater game, (click to show/hide)possibly the oblivion war? I suspect that it will eventually be revealed that Victor's teacher was either Lara or Thomas Raith, and I am personally leaning more towards Lara.
Well, that's my theory. Is it crazy like a fox Duck or just plain crazy?
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Why do we all assume the spell was the Red Court's, and that it was a prized possession they've used before? The impression I got was that the Red Court was given that spell, just like Victor Sells was, and that they were HORRIBLY BAD AT IT. They had to sacrifice how many people, to get enough juice to kill three wizards, and maybe a few people on Susan's side of the tree? Say Susan's parents and grandparents were both alive, and she had two siblings- that's twelve people; we'll say fifteen to be safe. Victor managed to kill two completely unrelated people at the same time without any sacrifices. I'm not saying that there's no problem to go from killing two unrelated people with one spell to killing fifteen related people, but to be fair Victor Sells wasn't really a wizard, but a gifted person that had learned a few tricks. The Red Court had multiple sorcerers working on the spell, had props to go along with and beef it up, and while they might have needed some sacrifices even still... I am not too impressed that the Red Court needed that much to pull it off (they were killing for hours while Dresden was on the way there). Granted, Victor had a storm to beef his spell, but they had a ley line running right underneath.
I don't think it was there spell; I think somebody as yet still unrevealed was manipulating Victor and the Red Court.
contraducktory:
Possible, Odin never said, it was their spell. Just that they were working up some big juju, like in the old days. Does not mean it was there spell. But if you had a spell that could take out a bloodline, would you share it?
Alablast:
--- Quote from: contraducktory on June 29, 2011, 05:15:05 PM ---Possible, Odin never said, it was their spell. Just that they were working up some big juju, like in the old days. Does not mean it was there spell. But if you had a spell that could take out a bloodline, would you share it?
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With somebody that hated the same guy I did? In a heartbeat. That way I don't have to worry about the 'police' coming after me. The white court isn't the only group that likes to work behind the scenes, and manipulate everybody into doing their dirty work for them.
KeyMasterOfGozer:
--- Quote from: Alablast on June 29, 2011, 05:18:28 PM ---With somebody that hated the same guy I did? In a heartbeat. That way I don't have to worry about the 'police' coming after me. The white court isn't the only group that likes to work behind the scenes, and manipulate everybody into doing their dirty work for them.
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IN the time of SF, did the RC or the WC either know who Harry was, or have any reason to have him as an enemy?
Alablast:
--- Quote from: KeyMasterOfGozer on June 29, 2011, 05:42:43 PM ---IN the time of SF, did the RC or the WC either know who Harry was, or have any reason to have him as an enemy?
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I was arguing more about the possibility that the spell didn't belong to the Red Court originally- that somebody may have given it to them to take down Harry/Eb.
Somebody didn't like somebody enough to give Victor the spell, though. My guess is it was probably Marcone, especially given how Fool Moon turned out. That may have been an example of good intentions slowly being corrupted- they started out trying to destroy a criminal, and then got so focused on destroying the people that stood in their way? More likely they were trying to remove the competition, and worked through intermediaries in case somebody got suspicious.
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