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Who told Monica Sells? (Wild speculation and possible series spoilers)
Rasins:
Some thoughts …
I like the idea of Monica using the Arcane as her in with Harry.
As to the rest …
I have little doubt that Pappa Raith was the one behind Victor and the spell. I think Pappa didn’t have to DO anything with Vic to get it going. All he had to do was to provide access to some books that had the spell in it. Remember it’s a Cha-ching spell. The White Council could easily have had it published to get it used to dilute it like they did lots of other books. It had simply fallen into dis-use.
As to the notion that it was a RC spell that hadn’t been used in thousands of years, I could see one Black Council member (RC King) talking to the Pappa Raith to get him to find someone to test the spell. Remember, magic changes over time. If it hadn’t been used in awhile, it may need tweaking to get it to work right.
--- Quote --- To me Papa Raith would have gone for the kill with Harry, not try to get the ball rolling. I can see Papa teaching VS, but He would have started screaming "Kill him! Kill him! KILL HIM!!!" once Harry got involved because (click to show/hide)he believed that Harry had to die for him to feed again.
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I think this would have gone WAY away from Pappa Raith’s nature. I think he’d still want to use a catspaw and not be so obvious. Besides, someone already pointed out that he didn’t know Harry was Maggie McCoy’s son. (I know she’s Maggie Dresden, just wanted to throw that out there.)
Serack – I know in Curses it’s stated that
--- Quote --- (click to show/hide)Harry love, the Queens of Winter and Summer do not kill mortals and so frown on their followers taking such action, but the High folk of the Tylwyth Teg have no such restrictions
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However it does not say that they CAN’T, just that they don’t and frown on their followers doing it. Self-imposed limitation, not necessarily a “law”.
Phariah:
--- Quote from: Alablast on June 29, 2011, 05:47:54 PM ---I was arguing more about the possibility that the spell didn't belong to the Red Court originally- that somebody may have given it to them to take down Harry/Eb.
Somebody didn't like somebody enough to give Victor the spell, though. My guess is it was probably Marcone, especially given how Fool Moon turned out. That may have been an example of good intentions slowly being corrupted- they started out trying to destroy a criminal, and then got so focused on destroying the people that stood in their way? More likely they were trying to remove the competition, and worked through intermediaries in case somebody got suspicious.
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well don't forget that Victor needed something from the target... hair, nail clippings, blood, ect... the only reason those people were killed was because Monica's sister was threatening to go to the cops and Marcone. no idea if she told Tommy Tom so he had to got too. Linda was seen talking to Dresden and was planning on blackmailing them. mean while the rat Gimpy still hadn't gotten anything for you to use the spell on Victor with, no hair or nail clippings. until Dresden became a real pain by defeating your demon so you had Gimpy get some of Dresden's hair anyway possible. but yeah having the Beckitts in your group as a super charger to focus their hatred for Marcone seems like it was Marcone as your main target from the start.
Serack:
--- Quote from: Rasins on June 29, 2011, 05:50:01 PM ---However it does not say that they CAN’T, just that they don’t and frown on their followers doing it. Self-imposed limitation, not necessarily a “law”.
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--- Quote from: Summer Knight ch10 ---Bob's eyelights narrowed until they almost went out, then brightened again after a moment as the skull began to speak. "A Sidhe Knight is a mortal," Bob said. "A champion of one of the Sidhe Courts. He gets powers in line with his Court, and he's the only one who is allowed to act in affairs not directly related to the Sidhe."
"Meaning?"
"Meaning that if one of the Queens wants an outsider dead, her Knight is the trigger man."
I frowned. "Hang on a minute. You mean that the queens can't personally gun down anyone who isn't in their Court?"
"Not unless the target does something stupid like make an open-ended bargain without even trying to trade a baby for-"
"Off topic, Bob. Do I or don't I have to worry about getting killed this time around?"
"Of course you do," Bob said in a cheerful tone. "It just means that the Queen isn't allowed to actually, personally end your life."
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the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: OlosBC on June 29, 2011, 03:05:53 PM ---Except we know from the end of Changes that Martin, as a Red court half-vamp priest saw the ritual, or read about it, and used that as the basis for his scheme to double-bluff and destroy the RC. This doesn't mesh well with the idea that it's something that hadn't been tested until some no-name newb sorceror in Chicago used storm/sex power to run it.
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I'm not convinced that because Martin was a sleeper for years means that the precise shape of the end of Changes was his definite or only plan for all that time; also, I can believe that it was a fairly obscure ritual that he knew about and knew they would find or indeed planted for them to find, but that the Red Court would still want a test run on,
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Serack on June 29, 2011, 01:23:09 AM ---Then I remembered that Jim has said that he really enjoyed writing Backup because it allowed him to go into the background of the (click to show/hide)Oblivion Wars, which was something he had really been wanting to do but couldn't do from Harry's perspective for obvious reasons.
(..)
So, we have WoJ that Jim wrote the (click to show/hide)Oblivion Wars into Backup because they are an actual part of the DV that Harry is unaware of.
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I am not inclined to see the second as implied in the first, because I can see Jim enjoying being able to write about Thomas being mindgamed in ways that can't be done from harry's POV.
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