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A fresh perspective on Proven Guity (Spoilers for everything)
Don:
Interesting...
Serack:
First, I've gotta say that this is an awesome theory. You did a great job of laying out the evidence, and coming up with a new and innovative way of explaining what's going on in the background. Bravo.
Now as to your speculation at the end, I have a few holes to poke. I think they are patchable, I just have to point some things out.
--- Quote from: knnn on June 27, 2011, 05:55:52 PM ---Some speculation about the importance of Molly:
I'll leave the really crazy theories to the "quacks", but I think we have some evidence that Molly is important.
- Lea attempts to bargain with Michael for Molly in PG.
- Father Forthill's "hunch" at the end of PG -> it implies that the WG wanted Harry to teach Molly.
- The fact that there was a BC operation targeting her.
Here's my final thought:
- We know that Harry is an "outsiderbane".
- We have the WoJ that he's not that unique and that there are others.
What if all it takes to make an outsiderbane is a Mother who is a Wizard and a Father who is a "Good Man"?
- It makes sense from a wizard+cleric dnd point of view
- That would certainly make Harry an outsiderbane (it's certainly explains why people keep telling Harry "Your father was a good man")
- It would make Molly an outsiderbane, and therefore doubly attractive as a BC recruit...
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Leme quote what we have on this WoJ (directly from the forum member that asked the question of Jim, emphasis added)
--- Quote from: laura118b on August 23, 2010, 08:01:14 PM ---…I asked him the question :)
The full question was if he had stated in the past, during an interview, that Elaine also was a candidate to have the potential to wield power over Outsiders. His longer answer was yes, he had said that before, that Harry and Elaine are just a few months apart age wise so for all intensive purposes the same age. He then told me that was one of the reasons that Justin had picked both of them to adopt, it wasn't just random kids with power. The key word in my question and his answer was potential.
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We don't know that there are others, just that there is potential for others. (not a big deal)
However, I interpret this WoJ to mean that timing was a part of the "complex confluence of events, of energies, of circumstances that would have given a child born under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders." (WK ch.41) This doesn't mean that Molly doesn't also have potential to be an outsider bane, just that I'm pretty sure you didn't cover "all it takes"
I'ma gonna hafta archive this one.
Edit: P.S. somewhere in the cobwebs, I'm trying to find how all this pertains to any significance in Summers actions in PG, as well as Mab's odd actions that interacted with Summer.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Serack on June 30, 2011, 02:34:14 AM ---First, I've gotta say that this is an awesome theory. You did a great job of laying out the evidence, and coming up with a new and innovative way of explaining what's going on in the background. Bravo.
Now as to your speculation at the end, I have a few holes to poke. I think they are patchable, I just have to point some things out.
Leme quote what we have on this WoJ (directly from the forum member that asked the question of Jim, emphasis added)
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Thanks Serack. Coming from you, that is a great compliment.
I was actually looking for that specific WoJ you quoted, as I wanted to see if it helps my case in any way.
As you pointed out, it doesn't. :P
Isn't there another, more general WoJ saying something like "there are other potential Outsiderbane candidates" floating around somewhere?
Or, I can always revise my theory to be "Molly is special because she is Mab"... ;)
Serack:
--- Quote from: knnn on June 30, 2011, 11:19:22 AM ---Thanks Serack. Coming from you, that is a great compliment.
I was actually looking for that specific WoJ you quoted, as I wanted to see if it helps my case in any way.
As you pointed out, it doesn't. :P
Isn't there another, more general WoJ saying something like "there are other potential Outsiderbane candidates" floating around somewhere?
Or, I can always revise my theory to be "Molly is special because she is Mab"... ;)
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Occasionally, I just post the releavant WoJ's in a reply and maybe leave some comments on how they support or poke holes in someone's ideas. This time around you had done such a great job of supporting stuff yourself that the only thing I could do was poke a few holes in the very last bit, and I wasn't going to do that without first acknoledging how much I liked the rest.
Sometimes I go back and read my responses and think along the lines of, "Maybe I should have been more constructive there" rather than just doing driveby WoJ and text quote dropping.
Edit: As to your question about outsiderbane canidates, as laura118b's quoted post indicates there is an old WoJ that is lost in the ether somewhere that pertains to outsiderbanes. I've only seen it referenced as "something I remember hearing about," so I can't say if it addresses your question.
Serack:
I'm on page 246 of 404 in DB for my pre GS reread of the series. I'm glad you posted this when you did so that I can litmus it during my reread of PG.
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