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A fresh perspective on Proven Guity (Spoilers for everything)
Phariah:
i very much like it Knnn. well done.
also maybe there was a test for Mauve in there at the end. Mab knows Mauve and Lilly worked together to save the WCouncil and take some vengeance on the RC for the Summer Court? she is happy to see Mauve start to think and take some type of mature actions. also Summer is part of the Accords so this allows them to settle the score and Mab allowed it to happen.
BillTheB:
I think this theory has legs.
Another train of thought on this is that if Harry didn't save Molly it is likely the WG would have had Michael in Chicago not in a position to help the WC. Would also probably mean Michael couldn't help Harry on Demonreach. I think there were some communications between Uriel and the Gate Keeper.
I am not sure there is a black council so much as some angry entities that are looking to take their places back. Dragons, Black Court, elder gods, etc. I think that I should probably look over the guest list at Bianca's again as I think there were some serious bad guys in attendance. I don't think Bianca was really much of a player but I think she was one of their pawns. I would guess that the White King was among the alliance of evil until Harry defanged him.
TheCulinaryWizard:
--- Quote from: wildone654 on June 27, 2011, 06:32:42 PM ---Here's something that bothers me about the BC attack on Arctis. The BC must have known that the only thing keeping the Summer court from helping the council against the vamps was that winter was on summers borders. So why would they attack Arctis and risk winter pulling back to defend its own territory, thus leaving Summer open to help the Council just as it did when harry 'attacked' Arctis?
--- End quote ---
This assumes that the BC wanted the red court to win and not for the war to be a distraction for both parties involved. An alternate, albiet unlikely, scenario is the BC attacked Arctis Tor to force mab to call reinforcements giving summer the chance to strike the red court. In this theory the red court is doing too well and the BC needs the White Council to survive their current crisis.(Eb states how bad things are for them atm at the beginning of PG). Unlikely I know but its fun to propse off the wall theories.
TheWinterEmissary:
Interesting theory.
As far as Mab goes, my take is that she was not free to retaliate against the Red Court for their incursion, but that she wanted to, and that she set up and/or used a lot of the events here so that everything would happen exactly as it did. My hypothesis is that she was in an alliance with someone, or made a bargain with something, or had to agree to not retaliate against the RC. And technically she didn't. But I think that she wanted to, and had to figure out a plausible workaround that would allow the RC to be punished.
What happens accomplished exactly that. Remember that Lily was a big factor in things going down as they did, but Lily was the youngest and least experienced of the Queens and Harry remarked that when she was human she wasn't known for her intelligence. My guess is that her alliance with Maeve was sanctioned (and maybe even ordered) by Mab. Neither Mab nor her forces ever actually retaliated against the RC (which would have held to the letter of whatever deal that she had made), but by allowing the attack at AT, and allowing Harry to use the Summer Fire, then she assured that her forces were pulled from the borders and that Summer was free to attack the RC. No one can argue with her forces being pulled away for an attack of such seriousness.
Mab made it very clear in Small Favor that anyone who trespassed against her was going to regret it. I believe that all of this was an elaborate ploy, but a necessary one to ensure that the RC didn't go unpunished. If I'm right, the question is who Mab is allied with, has made a bargain with, or holds enough power to make such machinations necessary. For that, I am not sure, though I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't BC related.
cmprostreet:
First, I like the theory, Knnn.
Second, In my pre-GS backwards order re-read, I'm in the middle of PG now. I've piled up a bunch of questions already, and this seems like a good place to dump some of them (some may have obvious answers, my memory of PG is always hazy since I still don't know what the big picture is.
* In the beginning, Eb asked Harry to investigate why the Sidhe haven’t gone to war with the Rampires for trespassing through Faerie and bringing Outsiders, on behalf of “myself, a few others… people I trust.” Is this the first mention of the Grey Council? He refers to them almost exactly the same way he does in TC.
* According to Eb, the Merlin wanted Harry stripped of his rank as Warden, but Luccio supported Harry and the rest of the SC overruled the Merlin. Why did Luccio back Harry? Was she already mind-bent a la TC, or was it just because he executed Capiorcorpus?
* Fix warns Harry that their phone conversation might be tapped- “Someone isn’t playing by the old rules anymore.” That’s obviously true for Harry, but why would Fix be concerned about a tap? Is Fix worried about his end or Harry’s end being the tapped one?
* Darby Crane (Madrigal Raith) is the Producer and Director of the movie the Scarecrow is from. Is this evidence of collaboration between them? (if so, that would work against your theory).
* When the magical murk plunges the hotel into darkness, Harry reached out to the cold and gloom and felt a vaguely familiar spellworking, but he couldn’t remember precisely where he’d encountered it before. It was different from the Myrk in SmF (as you noted), but I'm not sure it would be familiar to Harry if it was coming from the Fetches.
* After blasting the hockey-mask reaper fetch through the projection screen, Harry sees someone flee the room out of the corner of his eye. Do we know who it was?
* Lastly, Madrigal (Darby) does the Whampire freeze and Glau tenses up when Harry mentions his name to them in front of the elevator with Murph. Madrigal immediately seems to fear an attack from Harry. Does he just know Harry by reputation and fear that he'll go off half-cocked and burn down another building, or was he aware that Harry might be on to his plan (whatever it was). If it's the second, then why did he think he could threaten Harry with publicity? Wouldn't he have at least done the 0.2 seconds of research needed to see that Chicago's Warden openly advertises his wizardly services?
I might have to re-read this one twice this time.
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