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Setting up a ward how do you get all the shifts?

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bibliophile20:

--- Quote from: eberg on December 13, 2010, 04:18:11 PM ---That's fine and dandy until one of the latter two is compelled so you have to pee. :)

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That's why you make a simple Declaration:  Cather & Bag 

Belial666:
You aren't going to be doing big rituals that often. So the following is usually acheivable by a wizard;


5 shifts via base Lore
usually 1 shift for specialization
Up to 5 shifts via focus, if focused in that type of rituals
4 shifts from 2 mild consequences
4 shifts from 1 moderate consequence
4 shifts from knowing the right incantation and using appropriate mystical symbolism (Lore declarations)
4 shifts from clearing your mind of distractions and making the appropriate visualizations (Discipline declarations)
4 shifts from evoking a strong magic circle and believing in what you are doing (Conviction declarations)
2 shifts from bying thematically appropriate materials (i.e. iron filings vs fey or holy water and sea salt vs demons - Resources declaration)



We are already at 33 shifts with only fairly basic declarations for the important skills that most wizards with a +4 or +5 to those skills should be able to do easily. It takes 7 exchanges for making said declarations and, for controlling with maximum safety, another 33 exchanges to cast the ritual. So, say 40 minutes for the whole thing if every exchange is a minute.

eberg:

--- Quote from: Belial666 on December 13, 2010, 08:06:55 PM ---You aren't going to be doing big rituals that often. So the following is usually acheivable by a wizard;

5 shifts via base Lore
usually 1 shift for specialization
Up to 5 shifts via focus, if focused in that type of rituals
4 shifts from 2 mild consequences

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The usual wizard has Lore 5, Conviction 5, and a +5 focus for Thaumaturgy complexity?


--- Quote ---4 shifts from 1 moderate consequence
4 shifts from knowing the right incantation and using appropriate mystical symbolism (Lore declarations)
4 shifts from clearing your mind of distractions and making the appropriate visualizations (Discipline declarations)
4 shifts from evoking a strong magic circle and believing in what you are doing (Conviction declarations)
2 shifts from buying thematically appropriate materials (i.e. iron filings vs fey or holy water and sea salt vs demons - Resources declaration)

We are already at 33 shifts with only fairly basic declarations for the important skills that most wizards with a +4 or +5 to those skills should be able to do easily. It takes 7 exchanges for making said declarations and, for controlling with maximum safety, another 33 exchanges to cast the ritual. So, say 40 minutes for the whole thing if every exchange is a minute.
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Declarations don't necessarily take an exchange, particularly not when dealing with Thaumaturgical preparation. Buying supplies doesn't take seconds. Lore declarations such as you refer to represent research (what you know off hand is accounted for in your Lore rating contribution). Similarly, the Discipline declarations should represent meditation and ritual that takes time to do.

Also, note that you are performing this ritual with three Consequences, any or all of which the GM can tag to make your Control rolls harder.

eberg:

--- Quote from: bibliophile20 on December 13, 2010, 06:52:47 PM ---That's why you make a simple Declaration:  Cather & Bag 

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Dude. You /don't/ want the GM compelling /that/ aspect.

devonapple:

--- Quote from: bibliophile20 on December 13, 2010, 06:52:47 PM ---That's why you make a simple Declaration:  Cather & Bag 

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