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What's the difference between discussion and debate?
iago:
--- Quote from: bobtheskull on February 08, 2007, 05:43:54 PM ---Is that really fair?
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Frankly, it doesn't have to be. :) But I don't think it isn't fair. I do think I said it shouldn't be pursued as a thread-derailing thing out in public, which is why I said any continuation should be done in PM.
DragonFire:
--- Quote from: iago on February 08, 2007, 05:26:50 PM ---Lightsabre: You have a tendency to use debate tactics which are unpleasant to the other folks in the conversation with you. Probably the biggest problem I can point at is that you tend to be dismissive. You'll say "You're wrong." or "Irrelevant!" -- and at best, you'll hint at your possessing of secret knowledge that supports such a dismissal, without sharing it, without citing your sources, leaving you in a position where people can either agree with your stance on faith, or disagree but in a fashion that's guaranteed to make emotions darker, angrier, and heightened, both on their side and yours. At my most charitable, I can see this as lazy. At my least charitable, this looks like trolling. When it's kept up as a consistent pattern of behavior, I get less charitable. So keep in mind that this tactic (among several others which I'm not getting into) that you casually and regularly employ is guaranteed to put you on a trajectory to where not only the average reader gets annoyed with you, but the admins such as myself start seeing your chosen methods as poisonous to the community and in violation of the "keep it civil" atmosphere we want to promote around here.
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Iago,
Let me just say, I hear you. I've noticed this trend in my self, and I like to think I've already made an effort to overcome it, but I'll be more careful in future.
I'm not here to troll or make trouble, I'm just here to talk about the books.
I can promise you I won't make any more posts on the bobtheskull/containment circle issue.
On this topic, however, I agree with Kail.
DragonFire:
--- Quote from: iago on February 08, 2007, 05:33:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kali on February 08, 2007, 12:13:27 PM ---This is an idea without merit.
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You're on to something there. ;)
My main purpose in starting this thread is to see if there *is* merit to be found, vis a vis my "welcoming" vs. "hostile" goals already stated elsewhere in this thread.
If it turns out there isn't, or there isn't enough consensus about how to distinguish the two, it's not something I can move on.
But it certainly needs to be discussed. Or is that debated?
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I think the main problem we'd have, as a board, is that everyone would have a different definitions of discussion and debate.
I think we'd end up with, at best, a LOT of similiar threads, one for debating, one for discussion, and at worst, a lot of flaming and complaints to the mods about debaters in hte discussion threads.
Kali:
--- Quote from: iago on February 08, 2007, 05:33:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kali on February 08, 2007, 12:13:27 PM ---This is an idea without merit.
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You're on to something there. ;)
My main purpose in starting this thread is to see if there *is* merit to be found, vis a vis my "welcoming" vs. "hostile" goals already stated elsewhere in this thread.
If it turns out there isn't, or there isn't enough consensus about how to distinguish the two, it's not something I can move on.
But it certainly needs to be discussed. Or is that debated?
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Well as the man said, [1776]"In all my years, I've never seen, heard, nor smelled an issue that was so dangerous it couldn't be talked about. Hell yes, I'm for debatin' anything. Massachusetts says yea!"
Now give me my rum. [/1776]
bobtheskull:
--- Quote from: Kali on February 08, 2007, 09:12:46 PM ---Now give me my rum. [/1776]
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Granted, but the 1776 rum went bad about 150 years ago, so you're left with a dusty crate of bottles of ethanol.
Oh wait, this isn't the "corrupt a wish" thread, is it?
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