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Duels between mortal Practitioners and the Law of Magic
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: meh on April 28, 2010, 04:45:38 PM ---So everyone with intent to kill but not applying magic to the victim at the time of victim death is guilty of First law breaking?
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If you build a magical bomb (literal or metaphorical, and a profgrammed Red Court bodyguard is a damn bomb), that you know might kill people, then yeah, you get Lawbreaker when you create the 'bomb'. You intended a human death. Or didn't care if it occurred. You made magic with death as it's goal. Have Lawbreaker.
--- Quote from: meh on April 28, 2010, 04:46:46 PM ---We have JB stating in interviews that the WC stole it from the original owner.
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Yeah, but maybe it can only be taken from a dead owner? My point is that we don't know jack or shit about it. So using it as an example is ridiculous.
--- Quote from: meh on April 28, 2010, 04:50:01 PM ---Because asserting that we know nothing about it is false. We Do know things about it:
With it consequences happen - undeniable
With it there is intent to make consequences happen - yes?
With it there is no Law-based prosecution based on intent - undeniable
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Sure, we know that. But how is that info relevant? Clearly the Laws change you, clearly the Blackstaff prevents that, but nobody can answer hypotheticals based on their conception of the Laws and the Blackstaff because we don't know how it does any of that. I could come up with rationales, but they'd be pure bullshit, because I have no idea HOW it works.
Falar:
There is the little problem of the rules of the game. The following is taken from Your Story, 239 to 240. Although this is in a discussion of the Third Law, I believe it would apply just as well, if not more so, to the Fourth Law. You'd basically break your mind open trying to do something like that and become a gibbering maniac.
--- Quote ---So, if the Laws of Magic are only supposed to apply to humans, why not run around and peer into the minds of all the nonhuman problems you’re facing? Well, aside from the risk you’ll run afoul of a Warden troubled by your “grey area” activities, there’s not much stopping you—just give us a moment to call the pleasant brawny men with the white vans and straitjackets before you give it a try.
The real problem is this: as a human spellcaster, you only really have the faculties for understanding human thoughts. Try to tap into the mind of a faerie and you could find yourself a few minutes later rocking in the corner and laughing at how everything is made of rainbows. It only gets worse, the nastier or more powerful your target is. Try to read the thoughts of a Red Court vampire and it’s even odds that you’ll shatter your psyche before you learn anything useful—assuming you can even understand whatever strange language their internal monologue is using. Try to read the thoughts of something ancient, and you’ll probably find yourself a mind-wiped puppet in short order.
It’s kind of a disappointment, in the end, for the would-be mind-reader. All the minds he might be allowed to read, he can’t, because he doesn’t speak the language, and all the minds he isn’t allowed to read, he could—at the peril of breaking the Third Law.
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meh:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 28, 2010, 04:55:17 PM ---If you build a magical bomb (literal or metaphorical, and a profgrammed Red Court bodyguard is a damn bomb), that you know might kill people, then yeah, you get Lawbreaker when you create the 'bomb'. You intended a human death. Or didn't care if it occurred. You made magic with death as it's goal. Have Lawbreaker.
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This would seem to ban lethal wards.
meh:
--- Quote from: Falar on April 28, 2010, 04:56:23 PM ---You'd basically break your mind open trying to do something like that and become a gibbering maniac.
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Fair point, well made.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: meh on April 28, 2010, 04:58:38 PM ---This would seem to ban lethal wards.
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If you expect humans to ever interact with them, yes. Ever notice that Harry carefully warns people about not trying to get into his house?
Lethal Wards on your own home are the definition of a bomb that you have a fair expectation of NEVER harming a human. It's only if you know it's probably gonna that you get Lawbreaker. Lethal Wards on someone else's home as a booby trap? Lawbreaker territory.
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