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Enchanted Items Patch - Important, holy crap!
Korwin:
What you describe isnt an MinMaxer.
He forgot to minimise His weaknesses...
iago:
--- Quote from: Korwin on April 21, 2010, 08:35:15 PM ---What you describe isnt an MinMaxer.
He forgot to minimise His weaknesses...
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Someone cranking out a single "nuke anything" item out of *all* possible enchantment slots is certainly minmaxing *something*. "Min" doesn't mean minimize weaknesses necessarily.
Sigma77:
Aye, what Fred said - with the example I used, the character was minimizing his spellcasting and versatility. That is, he doesn't have any Foci or other enchanted item slots to make him more adaptable to other situations. That said, he's certainly not blatantly open - he can still cast blocks, after all, though they may not be as effective as they could be.
Korwin:
--- Quote from: Sigma77 on April 20, 2010, 09:45:16 PM ---My group is one of the ones doing an online playtest, right? So, we're actively trying to break the game in every which way, poking things that look like they can be exploited, etc.. Recently, we think we found something in the enchanted item varient that can be...well, it's ugly, so I'll walk you through the example.
Ex.:
Submerged Power Level
Focused Practitioner
Channeling (Spirit) [-2]
Ritual (Crafting) [-2]
Refinement (Enchantment Slots) [-2] x5
Total Enchantment Slots: 28
Now, lets say this guy doesn't use any Foci - he turns it all into enchantment slots. The build process follows:
The Item in question lets out a concentrated blast of force. It can be anything large, as per the rules, like a staff, basketball, but in this case? I used a Shotgun. Said shotgun can't be used NORMALLY, but I thought it was appropriate for what I'm about to do.
Let's say the creator has a Superb Lore, but nothing else. So the base strength is 5.
One Slot to House the Item.
Two Slots to Give it Four Extra uses per session.
25 Slots to the Strength of the Item.
We suddenly have what's basically a Weapon: 30 that can be used 5 times a session, with more times by calling on but a single box of stress - which, honestly, with that much power? Kind of a good trade off. My question is, was anything here done wrong in the creation process that allowed this kind of silliness, or is in fact, legal?
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So after the rules change, what would the build be...
Focused Practitioner
Channeling (Spirit) [-2]
Ritual (Crafting) [-2]
Refinement (Enchantment Slots) [-1] x7
16 Focus Item Slots, we use 5 of those for an Crafting Strenght Focus.
The remaining 11 we change into Magic Item Slots 22.
An Basic Item for this Char. has Strenght 10 (maximum) and one use.
So as Attack we use an pure Force 10 Attack and we add 3 Item Slots for 6 additional uses to get an 7 frequency Weapon.
For defense we use basically the same to get an Block 10 or Armor 5, 7 uses per encounter.
We uses 8 of the 22 Item Slots, 4 Slots for Potions. 10 free.
What about an Veil Item Strenght 8, duration 3 exchanges, frequency 3.
Another Veil Item but with Thaumaturgical duration (but stationary) Strenght 10, Frequency 1?
Still 7 Item Slots...
Not to shabby...
(just dont lose those Items...)
void:
The more I think about the 'no more than twice the lore' rule, the more I don't like it. It's not THAT high a limit; take an enchanter with Great lore; +4 from specialization and focus items isn't that hard, and you've already eliminated the option of burning an item slot. I think focusing on the size of the item and the plot impact of "People will WANT this" are healthier than that hard cap.
Is there any chance it could be rephrased into a 'If a GM doesn't like it, they could cap it this way' instead of a default 'it's just how it is' note? I mean, I know it's always possible for the GM to say that's not how it is here, but I think that trying to head off the problem this way doesn't get at the root of the problem, and will just get people thinking in ways that are just as potentially problematic(see the post that popped up while I was composing this one) but harder to solve cleanly with simple plot tools.
Leave the low hanging fruit for this type of minmaxer. When someone reaches for it, their head is already at convenient baseball bat swinging level. :D
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