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Other Whamp houses?
« on: June 10, 2022, 10:27:30 PM »
Raith is lust
Malvora fear
Skavis despair

Are there other Houses in the White Court?  Wrath/hatred seems a "gimme," an easy emotion to whamp-ify.  Greed, maybe?

Or were there such Houses, but they lost whampy-wars and are no longer known?
 
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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2022, 05:22:34 AM »
I don't know about others but filling someone you're trying to feed on with Wrath of all things seems like a horrible idea.

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2022, 10:05:27 AM »


  You could fill them with joy though, and feed off of that.

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2022, 08:05:33 PM »
I don't know about others but filling someone you're trying to feed on with Wrath of all things seems like a horrible idea.

I would see those Whamps as more like Iago -- the "buddy" who's egging-on.

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2022, 08:09:14 PM »
You could fill them with joy though, and feed off of that.

AFAIK, all Hunger Demons feed off negative emotions.

I think some sort of variant (that could feed off positive emotions) would be a very cool thing... but that's kind of the mortal schtick.  We are uplifted and empowered by our love, by our joy.

We mortals are those "positive emotion" whamps!

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2022, 08:23:29 PM »
AFAIK, all Hunger Demons feed off negative emotions.

I think some sort of variant (that could feed off positive emotions) would be a very cool thing... but that's kind of the mortal schtick.  We are uplifted and empowered by our love, by our joy.

We mortals are those "positive emotion" whamps!

Since when is good old fashioned "lust" a negative emotion? ??? Nothing negative about it, all of the Raith victims die with a smile on their faces.. ::)

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2022, 08:24:26 PM »
Raith is lust
Malvora fear
Skavis despair

Are there other Houses in the White Court?  Wrath/hatred seems a "gimme," an easy emotion to whamp-ify.  Greed, maybe?

Or were there such Houses, but they lost whanppy-wars and are no longer known?
 

There is a House in Paranet Papers that feeds on Wrath. The Marinos. They're based in South America poses as a Crime Family. They're one of the factions scrambling for power after the Red Court fell.

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The dead man had clearly beaten her
badly and she had fed on his wrath. The rage of
his beating had only strengthened her, fueled the
demon within her

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Wait, she feeds on rage? I know we speculated that there might be WCVs out
there who ate anger, but Alejandra’s actually
found an entire secret family of them?
Maybe. She claims the Marinos are
unaffiliated so, yeah, it’s possible
they’re wrath-eaters. It’s also possible
they feed on fear like a certain family
we already know about, and Alejandra
just misinterpreted what she saw.
Honestly, it’s hard for me to imagine that Lara
Raith doesn’t know about these guys. If they’re
operating down here, I ’d bet it’s under her
watchful eye, if not by her explicit permission.

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A family of White Court vampires lives
here—the Marino family, natives all—nearly ten
vampires, though they keep their nature a secret
from both mortals and supernaturals alike, and
they are not affiliated with the White Court
proper. I stumbled upon their secret when I first
met Eva and realized what she was.
We have been observing them since the
Red Court’s destruction, and since that time
numerous White Court vampires have visited
the Marinos, but never for more than a few days
at a time, and never in groups larger than two at
a time. If the White Court is up to something,
it seems the Marino family is involved in it.
Perhaps they are preparing to take their place in
the White Court

They've got a corrupt politician in their pocket as well, there's an entire page on him but he thinks they're just a crime family.

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2022, 08:50:52 PM »
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8375964/1/Houses-of-the-White-Court-Dresden-Files

  There was a fanfiction speculating on that a while back.


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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2022, 10:56:44 PM »
Since when is good old fashioned "lust" a negative emotion? ...
It doesn't have to be, of course.
But it's much easier to slide down that ramp to a really bad place, than if it were genuine love.
(n.b. many people mistake mixes of [other things]+lust for "love," when it isn't)

And the Whamps are past masters of nudging people onto that slide.

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2022, 11:18:29 PM »
The Beige Court, they feed of boredom and frustration and are headed by house Colin Robinson.

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2022, 11:44:43 PM »
The Beige Court, they feed of boredom and frustration and are headed by house Colin Robinson.

<nods>
Yep, that's House YOLO.

After the whamp devours all the boredom, the vic goes out and does something so "adventurous" it veers into suicidality...

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2022, 12:09:02 AM »
AFAIK, all Hunger Demons feed off negative emotions.
I think some sort of variant (that could feed off positive emotions) would be a very cool thing... but that's kind of the mortal schtick.  We are uplifted and empowered by our love, by our joy.

I think there was a WOJ that it might be possible for a whamp to feed on positive emotions, but they'd probably start to get 'sparkly'.

Their dietary preferences aren't ingrained, after all - Madrigal proved that by feeding on fear instead of lust. Presumably if they're willing to put enough effort and trial & error into it, other emotions beyond the big three negative ones are possible, with positive ones likely being much more difficult to change their attunement to.

It's probably not an accident that the big three are roughly opposite to the three virtues embodied in the Swords, though.
Lust vs Love.
Despair vs Faith.
Fear vs Hope.

I wonder if Skavis and Malvora tend to lose a lot more of their youth to never activating their powers than Raiths do ... I'd say a majority of people don't have their first sexual experience as true love (as much as they might be confused about that at the time), but blundering into scaring someone to death or tweaking them into despair enough to commit suicide would be rarer.

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2022, 01:23:39 AM »
My theory is that Harry doesn’t cure Thomas, he instead inverts his demon. Thomas becomes an Erus (the Etruscan Eros) he can feed on love instead, and is repelled by Lust. Harry has explained love as creative (it’s how Bonea came about) rather than destructive, so no more life force consumption.That makes him a very suitable candidate for Amorrachius. My theory is that the White Court were originally created by an inversion of Erus bloodline, perhaps by Drakul (it explains the hate between the White and Black Courts)

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2022, 06:54:46 AM »
My theory is that Harry doesn’t cure Thomas, he instead inverts his demon. Thomas becomes an Erus (the Etruscan Eros) he can feed on love instead, and is repelled by Lust. Harry has explained love as creative (it’s how Bonea came about) rather than destructive, so no more life force consumption.That makes him a very suitable candidate for Amorrachius. My theory is that the White Court were originally created by an inversion of Erus bloodline, perhaps by Drakul (it explains the hate between the White and Black Courts) 

Oh, hey now... that ties a lot of threads together!
That's some first-rate WAGging, that is!
 

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Re: Other Whamp houses?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2022, 07:46:38 AM »
My theory is that Harry doesn’t cure Thomas, he instead inverts his demon. Thomas becomes an Erus (the Etruscan Eros) he can feed on love instead, and is repelled by Lust. Harry has explained love as creative (it’s how Bonea came about) rather than destructive, so no more life force consumption.That makes him a very suitable candidate for Amorrachius. My theory is that the White Court were originally created by an inversion of Erus bloodline, perhaps by Drakul (it explains the hate between the White and Black Courts)
Nice!
But pessimist me can't help to think: a vamp feeding on love must go hungry very often, because true love is a lot harder to find than lust, I believe.
Except if you take for example the love between family members into account.